Fairy wrasse ID

[jaa1456]

Albano was that in with an 8 line flasher and some red anthias? If so I was gonna pick that guy up but passed on it. I wasn't sure what it was and the GF wanted to leave. I did pick up an 8 line for 55 from there.

 

[albano]

Also C. jordani; a less mature female than the other.

Soooo, you're saying there's a chance!


at the price extra flames are fine

Albano was that in with an 8 line flasher and some red anthias? If so I was gonna pick that guy up but passed on it. I wasn't sure what it was and the GF wanted to leave. I did pick up an 8 line for 55 from there.

I don't remember any Anthias, 8 line was a couple tanks to right ... This shipment just came in last Wednesday or Thursday ... I guess that you didn't see the males?

 

[jaa1456]

I'm guessing it was a different fish, I was there the last weekend in October. There was an unidentified wrasse that was still a Juvi, but I have never seen anything like it and I should have grabbed it. The head was yellowish orange with bright yellow stripes that went into a red body. I can't recall anything like that, it had 4 yellow stripes on each side and the stripes only went to the back of the gills.

 

[eatbreakfast]

The fish pictured in posts 73 and 79 were correctly identified by Albano as juvi C. roseafascia.

Both females of roseafascia and jordani look very similar, but just knowing the store where they were purchased and that they have not had a Hawaiian shipment lately, but rather a Philippines shipment, the identity MUST be C. rosefascia, since C. jordani is Hawaii endemic.

 

[albano]

Both females of roseafascia and jordani look very similar, but just knowing the store where they were purchased and that they have not had a Hawaiian shipment lately, but rather a Philippines shipment, the identity MUST be C. rosefascia...

Did YOU get the males?????
To add to the story, the owner told me that they had 2 pairs of unidentified wrasses in... when I got there he was out, and I couldn't find the pairs! I asked one of the workers and he pointed out the 2 juvis... while looking them over, the owner got back and I asked him about the 'pairs'... he looked in the tank and I saw "smoke coming out of his ears". He called the employees over...seems one of them ... sold the 'pair' of males to one customer!

 

[YKTea]

not C. roseafascia.

as Hunter has mentioned, C. jordani. I have seen plenty of, as well as kept a small trio of roseafascias in the past and this is not it. both are female jordanis. It could be from a wholesaler and not direct from hawaii hence the mix up.

 

[albano]

I'm not doubting you guys, but these did not go thru a wholesaler... I wish that I had seen the males, but I didn't... Not sure how they mixed these up 'pair-wise', or point of origin.
Any chance of some kind of hybrid?

 

[eatbreakfast]

not C. roseafascia.

as Hunter has mentioned, C. jordani. I have seen plenty of, as well as kept a small trio of roseafascias in the past and this is not it. both are female jordanis. It could be from a wholesaler and not direct from hawaii hence the mix up.

The store that they are from only tranships their fish. This order did NOT come from Hawaii, but rather the Philippines. As you know there are no jordani in the Philippines.

 

[eatbreakfast]

Did YOU get the males?????
To add to the story, the owner told me that they had 2 pairs of unidentified wrasses in... when I got there he was out, and I couldn't find the pairs! I asked one of the workers and he pointed out the 2 juvis... while looking them over, the owner got back and I asked him about the 'pairs'... he looked in the tank and I saw "smoke coming out of his ears". He called the employees over...seems one of them ... sold the 'pair' of males to one customer!

No, I didnt get the males. I have been stopping by weekly to see what hidden gems I might find.

Roseafascia is nice, but not what I am looking for.

 

[evolved]

not C. roseafascia.

as Hunter has mentioned, C. jordani. I have seen plenty of, as well as kept a small trio of roseafascias in the past and this is not it. both are female jordanis. It could be from a wholesaler and not direct from hawaii hence the mix up.

Thank you.

Any chance of some kind of hybrid?

No; it's 100% jordani.

The store that they are from only tranships their fish. This order did NOT come from Hawaii, but rather the Philippines. As you know there are no jordani in the Philippines.

I have no knowledge as to where the shipment came from, nor an explanation if this statement is entirely true. All I have are photos of the fish, and those photos both show jordani without a shadow of a doubt.
I am so certain of it, I'd put my life on the line for a DNA test. "Roseafascia, you are NOT the father!"

 

[evolved]

Both females of roseafascia and jordani look very similar,

And I can see why you think this, but there are easy differences to distinguish.

Yanking photos from Google image searches here; I make no claims to these photos beyond illustration purposes here:

Here are a few examples of female jordani. I'd like you to note the markings on the face (the red lines above and below the eye) and the markings on and just before the tail (mainly the color fade and the yellow band present in the photo Albano posted in post 73).

Male & Female

Tanaka's photos, if validity is a question for you:

And here are examples of roseafascia. Sure, the stripe down the back is similar, but that's where the similarities stop for me. Pay attention to the facial markings; very different. Note when the dorsal fin has color, it's always yellow and not at all red.

A bit too mature, but regardless:

Similar facial stripes, but the wrong color. Note the dorsal fin coloration too:

 

[eatbreakfast]

I have no knowledge as to where the shipment came from, nor an explanation if this statement is entirely true.

Easy enough to verify. The fish came from Maximum Reef in Yonkers NY. Call and ask if they get their fish from wholesalers or transshipping. It's only a 4 or 5 man operation, but if you have questions regarding the employees knowing for sure where the fish came from ask Ralph, the owner. Also ask how recently they have received Hawaiian vs. Philippine shipments.

Here are a few examples of female jordani. I'd like you to note the markings on the face (the red lines above and below the eye) and the markings on and just before the tail (mainly the color fade and the yellow band present in the photo Albano posted in post 73).

Here, in the 1st pic of Roseafascia by Tanaka, it too has yellow band at the base of the tail, same as in pic 79 posted by Albano. And the markings under and over the eye in both pics.

Pay attention to the facial markings; very different. Note when the dorsal fin has color, it's always yellow and not at all red.

Not always just yellow, as seen in the 2nd pic, also by Tanaka, there is red in the dorsal. It is more mature, but the coloring exists in the species.

Also, in the pic Albano posted in post 79, the angle of the caudal fin from about the 5th fin ray up. It is faint, but it is already getting longer and beginning to creat the lance shape, not the rounding that exists in jordani.

And, not to create more work for Albano, but if we were to see whether there were markings on the ventral fins, we would be able to see if it were roseafascia. We could also wait and see their maturation if Albano were inclined to post updates as well.

 

[albano]

Ok... I took Hunter's pics to my lawyer, but he doesn't think that I can sue the LFS !!

Soooo, moving forward, this weeks wrasse ID test is one that is supposed to be from Tahiti or Cook Islands... It was labeled an 'orangeback' but it isn't Cirrhilabrus aurantidorsalis

it's body is orange on the top, blue/red/purple from 'eye line' down, base of dorsal is blue with orange top, has very long pecs like pylie or temminckii wrasse
(In this pic, tail is hidden, but it is blue/purple), anal fin and pecs are blue

Gentlemen...what say you?

 

[aquaph8]

Other than the purple color Id swear that was temmincki.

 

[YKTea]

Ok... I took Hunter's pics to my lawyer, but he doesn't think that I can sue the LFS !!

Soooo, moving forward, this weeks wrasse ID test is one that is supposed to be from Tahiti or Cook Islands... It was labeled an 'orangeback' but it isn't Cirrhilabrus aurantidorsalis

it's body is orange on the top, blue/red/purple from 'eye line' down, base of dorsal is blue with orange top, has very long pecs like pylie or temminckii wrasse
(In this pic, tail is hidden, but it is blue/purple), anal fin and pecs are blue

Gentlemen...what say you?

Cirrhilabrus beauperryi, male.

A rather recent addition to the Cirrhilabrus genus, described in 2008 officially. was previously regarded as a variation of C. punctatus. it's the 50th member to be described.

the back turns bright ochre when the fish is displaying.

 

[albano]

Cirrhilabrus beauperryi, male...

WINNER-WINNER!!!!
I looked thru pages of google wrasse images to no avail... But that's it! Coloring is very different from other wrasses I've seen/have/had... Hopefully the color stays, he'll have a lot of friends to play with...
There were 2 available, so my friend and I each took one... Figured for $40 it was 'worth a shot'!

Thanks Lemon for help.

 

[evolved]

Easy enough to verify. The fish came from Maximum Reef in Yonkers NY. Call and ask if they get their fish from wholesalers or transshipping. It's only a 4 or 5 man operation, but if you have questions regarding the employees knowing for sure where the fish came from ask Ralph, the owner. Also ask how recently they have received Hawaiian vs. Philippine shipments.

Here, in the 1st pic of Roseafascia by Tanaka, it too has yellow band at the base of the tail, same as in pic 79 posted by Albano. And the markings under and over the eye in both pics.

Not always just yellow, as seen in the 2nd pic, also by Tanaka, there is red in the dorsal. It is more mature, but the coloring exists in the species.

Also, in the pic Albano posted in post 79, the angle of the caudal fin from about the 5th fin ray up. It is faint, but it is already getting longer and beginning to creat the lance shape, not the rounding that exists in jordani.

And, not to create more work for Albano, but if we were to see whether there were markings on the ventral fins, we would be able to see if it were roseafascia. We could also wait and see their maturation if Albano were inclined to post updates as well.

You can dispute me all you'd like, but my opinion will not change.
Care to wager $1000? :wildone:
Calling anyone is unnecessary; the picture is plenty clear.

Cirrhilabrus beauperryi, male.

A rather recent addition to the Cirrhilabrus genus, described in 2008 officially. was previously regarded as a variation of C. punctatus. it's the 50th member to be described.

the back turns bright ochre when the fish is displaying.

Yes indeed.

WINNER-WINNER!!!!
I looked thru pages of google wrasse images to no avail... But that's it! Coloring is very different from other wrasses I've seen/have/had... Hopefully the color stays, he'll have a lot of friends to play with...
There were 2 available, so my friend and I each took one... Figured for $40 it was 'worth a shot'!

Thanks Lemon for help.

For that price, yes. It's not generally "expensive", but usually quite a bit more than that. And you don't see them for sale all that often; a few times a year.

 

[YKTea]

WINNER-WINNER!!!!
I looked thru pages of google wrasse images to no avail... But that's it! Coloring is very different from other wrasses I've seen/have/had... Hopefully the color stays, he'll have a lot of friends to play with...
There were 2 available, so my friend and I each took one... Figured for $40 it was 'worth a shot'!

Thanks Lemon for help.

There are pics of it google. I posted a few images online before of wild ones in Solomon's swimming in a harem.

I've kept it before. My experience was that it's an aggressive species. And it didn't hold it's colors too well, something like scottorum and punctatus. It takes on a generally blue appearance after awhile. But that's just me and maybe I was unlucky. I did only keep it for awhile and once only.

 

[albano]

Here is my Black Friday purchase!!! 2 more Pintail Wrasses (mislabeled as Roseafascia), but priced at $120, figured they were still a great deal!

 

[ingtar_shinowa]

Nice! get them yo send my some diamondtail flashers