Filter socks, your opinion

hkgar

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Use them or no.

I have been using them on my return plumbing for awhile and seem to have slow growth.

Nitrate .25 (Red Sea Pro)
Phosphate .003 (1 on the Hanna phosphorous checker).
CA 440 (Salifert)
Alk 9.0 (Hanna checker)
Mag 1300 (Salifert)

I am thinking that the socks are removing much of the small particulates that the SPS might see as food. Also I would like to start feeding zooplanktin, will the socks trap them?

I dose 90 ml daily of vinegar and also run GFO and a Lifereef Skimmer.

I really only use them to keep the detritus of from the sump floor.
 
I don't use filter socks, I vacuum detritus from my sump once a week.

Curious as to what you vacuum with. I have a 2.5 gallon wet vac and the problem with it is it only take about 20 seconds to fill. So, lots of water for very little detritus.
 
Curious as to what you vacuum with. I have a 2.5 gallon wet vac and the problem with it is it only take about 20 seconds to fill. So, lots of water for very little detritus.

use a smaller powerhead with a vinyl hose going in to a bucket or brute trash can. or if you have enough drop you can just syphon it out with the hose.
 
Just my thoughts on it, this is from a thread in the Advanced section from about a year ago. I have pulled large samples of the detritus from my sump, let it settle out and got the same po4 and no3 levels from it as the main body of water in the tank, I have done this numerous times now, always with the same result.

Just my point of view here, this is the Advanced section which is a great place to think outside of the box. I will not tell anyone to not use a sock but I don't use them, I do not see a real need. Some things to consider...

A 200 micron sock will trap anything 200 microns or larger, until it does collect things at which point the pores begin to close down and get smaller, enabling it to filter smaller and smaller particles until it clogs and overflows, this is how all filters work. So what is it filtering? It is indiscriminately filtering waste products and living creatures (planktonic life and larger) which perform a function and are also a food source.

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A sock or any other mechanical filtration will not capture 100% of planktonic life, some will remain but in most tanks there is a very low quantity of planktonic life and it makes no sense to remove it and deplete it's numbers further.

Detritus happens, but because it is there should not automatically mean it is a problem. I took my tests this morning, PO4 was .01, lower than I normally run but within testing margin. NO3 was undetectable with Salifert, as it usually is and I prefer it to be around 5 and feed heavy to try and keep it at least measurable. The end process of the consumption of food is mostly devoid of any nutritional items, it is benign bulk that has no benefit or harm. I could filter that out before anything has a chance to eat it, but why, it has been feeding things that I want in my little ecosystem.

This is a pic of my sump, in the place detritus normally settles, It has been a couple of months since I last cleaned the sump, I will clean it next water change or perhaps longer.
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According to some of what has been suggested my nitrates and phosphates should be high from all of that rotting poo in my sump, but it isn't. Why? It is certainly plausible that I have enough life in the tank to consume the input of food and enough export to prevent it from becoming an issue. I also intentionally feed extremely small particles of food to the tank, pureed seafood items that are so small the fish can't eat them but they help feed the rest of the creatures in the tank, about a fourth of my food is this fine mix. These creatures would not stand much of a chance if I used a sock. I do have a lot of sponges, and I mean a lot, my rocks are covered in sponges that have grown a lot in the past year and a half when only a few small pieces were there after setting up the tank. About 90-95% of my rock was freshly acid washed prior to starting this tank in our new place. Sponges are your friends, if you don't have much sponge growth, consider why.

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I do not wish to tell people not to use a sock, but as in all things sometimes you need to look at what you are doing and consider if it really has value or not. I see no need in trying to create a sterile, nutrient void container of water that I am encouraging life to grow in. If you choose to do so that is fine, but at least consider why and what the effects are.

People often notice their tanks do better after the one year mark, some sooner and some later but there is always a point where the life in the tank has reached a point where nutrients are easier to control, growth is consistent and the tank is fairly stable. Why is that? It takes time for all of the biological entities in the tank to reach stasis. You can certainly reach this point with mechanical filtration but it isn't beneficial to do, it just seems like it is and you may be slowing down the maturity of the tank and limiting the biological life that helps to control excess nutrients. Maybe you are not, but judging by the number of people on this forum daily with problems it stands to reason that some of the things we do may be contributing to problems instead of solving them.

Just my long take on the subject, please do what you think is best, but don't be afraid to examine what you are doing and why.
 
I've never used one. I also have phenomenal sponge growth, but for some reason I always attributed it to my vinegar usage.
 
It's just my opinion, based on what I was taught when I got into this hobby, some agree and some disagree. That's ok, there are great tanks out there with and without socks or mechanical filtration.

Looking at the stats on the tank, it is possible that you are running too clean, many of us over the years have noted an increase in coloration and growth with slightly higher levels of nitrates and phosphates. If your corals are pale looking and not a deep rich color they may be hungry.

Like all living creatures, our corals need adequate nutrition and unfortunately there is no set formula for that. One tank may do extremely well with higher nutrient levels (and heavy feeding) and another may suffer at higher levels. The hard part is finding that balance in your own tank. My corals seem to be happiest with nitrates of about 5 and phosphates of about .04, within testing limits of course. Other than a plague population/variety of Valonia, I have no green algae but have always had cyano that comes for a few months and goes for a few months.
 
I don't use socks because I know I'm too lazy to change them, but I don't have detritus buildup in the sump either, and now I'm worried about that. :)

I own just about every type and size of flow pump I could buy, typical newbie mistakes made when I first setup my tanks, and these are in use in my sump aimed down and along the bottom to prevent detritus from settling and hopefully get skimmed out.

What I may be doing instead is putting the detritus back in the display and ensuring it settles out in the sand. I'm not sure this is good or bad.

I do have nice detritus collections at the bottom of each overflow chamber. :bounce1:
 
Just my thoughts on it, this is from a thread in the Advanced section from about a year ago. I have pulled large samples of the detritus from my sump, let it settle out and got the same po4 and no3 levels from it as the main body of water in the tank, I have done this numerous times now, always with the same result.

That's a great article you linked to. Thanks. I've been on the fence about filter socks for years. This makes me feel better about my decision to go sockless. Not to mention the pain and $ this saves from taking socks out every week and bleaching them all.
 
Curious as to what you vacuum with. I have a 2.5 gallon wet vac and the problem with it is it only take about 20 seconds to fill. So, lots of water for very little detritus.

My sump is small (20 gallons) and I do the vac along with my water change, usually 5-6 gallons. The small home depot shop vac works well for me.
 
Looking at the stats on the tank, it is possible that you are running too clean, many of us over the years have noted an increase in coloration and growth with slightly higher levels of nitrates and phosphates. If your corals are pale looking and not a deep rich color they may be hungry.

It does seem clean from the stats. I run GFO, a large ball of Cheato in the sump that doesn't grow fast but does grow) and I dose vinegar (90 ml per day) and I still have clumps of hair algae. Not enough to be a nuisance, but definitely there. Not sure why?
 
I always used them. Never thought twice. I would notice a change when I did go without for one reason or another and it wasnt good. I fed heavy and filtered heavy. My practice was more about not using any chemical or carbon filtration. My corals were very healthy and I had lots of growth. I also was BB and had a large fuge.
 
I've always ran them. Just about 3 months ago I took one off to change and wash them, to find I wasn't going to put it back on. My tank is doing much better than before -- though there is no true evidence that it's from the filter sock removal.
 
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