For those thinking of taking something home

Here is some info I got when inquiring about bringing things back from Canada. I live abour 1.5hrs from Toronto so I thought maybe I'd take a drive up and check out the LFS' over there and if I found something bring it home. Not sure how much of this applies to countries other than Canada, but it may help.


US IMPORT/EXPORT INFO
For Americans Exporting from the U.S.A. (Canadians should be familiar with these steps too)
All animals leaving or entering the USA must be inspected by US fish & wildlife This is generally done at what is known as a designated port . If you are not located at a designated port you must contact your local branch of USF&W and arrange an inspection. At this point a document called a 3-177 will be completed. It is a declaration of import/export of wildlife. This must be done with all animals regardless of whether they are listed under the Washington Convention (CITES).
It is also possible and fairly common to have animals shipped first to a designated port for inspection and clearance, before heading on to the consignee. This is done when the shipper or recipient in the US is not near a designated port. It can however, sometimes get complicated and expensive because a broker can be required to transfer the shipment and arrange for fish&wildlife inspection. This is especially true if different air carriers are involved since Airlines are not obliged to move your cargo, especially into the hands of a competitive Airline. So if you need to hire a broker this can mean that your animals are being put into the hands of a middle man who might very well hate herps(or love them and steal your shipment). It's a bit scary to have someone opening your animals in the middle of their journey to your customer.

If the animals are CITES listed and are Appendix 2 you need to apply To the US department of the interior/F&W for a CITES export permit. This must then be stamped by a wildlife agent at the time of the inspection otherwise the permit is not valid...
You will also now need (since I think bout 97) a US fish and wildlife IMPORT EXPORT license... you need to apply for it. It is $100.00us and is good for only one year. If you are not getting your inspection at a Designated port, but are using a border port you may also be required to apply for what's called an "Exception to Designated Port"permit. It's now also $100US bucks and is good for 2 years.

For Canadians taking animals into or out of the USA
If you are taking animals across the border in a car, you need to apply for and obtain this US fish and wildlife IMPORT EXPORT license... and yes also the exception from designated port permit if you have more than just a few animals.

You must phone US F&W in advance and arrange for an inspection 48 hrs before you cross. An agent will be dispatched to the crossing of your choice(See the list of Border Ports) . You will be charged for the inspection. $55US standard, more if its CITES or outside of business hours. A 3-177 declaration will need to be completed at the time of the inspection. I recommend pre ordering this form from USF&W and filling them out ahead of time. It makes the wildlife agents happy and you are more likely to know the Scientific names, which must be shown on the declaration. It's also helpful to take a book with pictures to help verify the species.

If you are taking a lot of stuff into the US for personal delivery or to fly out of an American airport it may be considered a commercial shipment and this will also require a Customs Broker...I use PBB. (Peace Bridge Brokers)

Also, if you are taking CITES listed animals out of Canada you must first apply for and obtain a Canadian CITES Export permit. You will be required to prove legal origin to be granted this permit. Before crossing the border, you must first stop on the Canadian side and get Customs to validate it, otherwise it is not a legal CITES permit.

A complete list, with prices, of US Fish & Wildlife forms including CITES applications, licenses etc, can be found...http://www.fws.gov/forms/display.cfm?number1=200

http://www.cites.ec.gc.ca/listedecontrole/index.cfm?lang=e&fuseaction=scList.swFilterResult
 
Talos, you rock. This is the sort of useful info I am looking for.

Saying its 'hard' is irrelavant.

If I am arranging a trip around the planet, I think I can handle filling out some paperwork and getting permits needed to bring some corals home with me.

Looks like I have some more reading to do Thursday.
 
i know of a person who lives not to far from me who has collected items from the south pacific for her tank.

but they are also VERY wealthy, so I'm sure that helped some.
 
keep us up to date with what you are hearing. i myself have looked around to find this sort of stuff out.
 
I resent my inquiry to the Solomon Islands. This is what I wrote.

Chief Communications Officer
George Herming
gherming@pmc.gov.sb

Hello, my name is Aaron Hunt and I am interested in visiting your Islands for a
dive vacation. During my many dives, I would like to gather corals and other
organisms that I could bring home and keep alive in my marine aquariums.

This is solely for personal use and this collection is not of a commercial
nature in any way.

Is this something you will allow and if so, are there any rules I need to be
aware of so that I do not collect anything that would potentially be
problematic?

I have already spoken to the American government agencies regarding bringing
these sorts of organisms into the USA, and I will need to have legally collected
them in your country and then declare them to customs when I arrive back in
America.

Are there any groups you might reccomend to assist me during my visit or areas I
might focus my interest in?

I thank you for your assistance and look forward to your reply.
 
Right now i'm in IslaMorada, Florida, and was wondering if anyone knew any places where it was legal to collect inverts, and such. I have a permit, and have checked the laws, (No marine sanctuarys). Outside of my house I've collected some snails, (could be whelks gotta check) and some blue legged hermits.
Oh yeah, I'm not dive certified, but would love to take some stuff home. I am a strong swimmer with a good lung capacity (~2 minutes under while swimming around) Any place would be great.
Thanks a lot
 
Well for some reason the e-mails are being returned undeliverable. DNS isnt recieving them. I think there is a technical problem, so the e-mail I posted isnt working right now. I might have to try calling them or just using snail mail.
 
hey airinhere,
question about those hydor koralias...how do you like em and what number and how many would you put on a 46 gal bowfront?
 
Not to drift away from the topic, but I love the Hydors.

For a 46 bow I think you would be best with either a pair of #2 or maybe a #2 and a #3.

That would put you at 26X or 31X flow in your tank not counting your return pump.

I have 26X in my 90 with another 6X from my return pump.

That is just about as much flow as my LPS and softies can take, although I could easily add another pair of #4 if I were to go with all SPS and barebottom.

And thanks for the link to the Fl regs. Although I now need to find the Solomon Islands regs. Anyone have a link?
 
You should just have to look up your state DFG office. There should be some permit or license for marine ornamentals. Here in Ca, the only one available is for commercial uses, and I am getting the common reply that you can collect what you like as long as you are not collecting in a controlled area.

I have recieved the "safe" answer that I should consider obtaining a marine ornamental licence (commercial). This would allow me and up to 5 people (I think the number is right), to collect. But that is around $300 and I dont believe it is appropriate for personal collection.

And I am still trying to reach the Solomon Islands. Just been preocupied recently.
 
Talon, the second link is the one I have been going to in my attempts to contact the Solomon Islands Government. So far all mail has been returned with an obscure DNS error with it. I think their website has been experiencing technical difficulties. The third link has lots of legal stuff on it, but I am going to have to wade through alot of stuff. I am hoping to reach someone there, it will make the process much easier.

cutnup, there are all sorts of things that make it into northern waters during the summer. New York gets seahorses and lionfish (among other things) pretty often. Odds are that there arent any laws regarding these organisms since they arent native and are jsut seasonally available. Plus they will die when the water cools down durning the winter.

And about the size of the Hydors, I think they look neat for one, and are smaller than a Seio for another. I admit the #1's in my 55 gal tank are pretty useless, but the #4 and #3 models I have are awesome. My only problem with them is that they really create too much flow for my LPS and ricordea, so I have to carefully aim them so I dont blow stuff around in my tanks. I would recommend them to anyone.
 
Make sure you check with the Airline you will be travelling on too.

Salt Water (even in closed containers) is not allowed on most aircraft as its extrememly corrosive.
 
I know Southwest allows it on their flights, their the one used by most of the LA shippers to distribute corals and fish all around the states. But I also need to find out the amount of boxes I could bring home with me on a Quantas air flight. (I figure thats who I will likely be flying with.)
 
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