frustrated with Jaebo wp 40
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Johnjohn713
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Bottom line is folks that paid an arm and a leg for Vortech are bitter. So what's else is new?
of course, I agree. You get what you pay for. A lot of my friends have had mp10/40s dry side crap out after 3 years so I'm just using them as a baseline since that's the only hands on experience I've seen/had.
In regards to the Jebao, I never expected buying a $60 powerhead (That's the price I pay during group buys, roughly at least) to perform on par or as long as a $400 powerhead. That is absurd to think that imo.
But for 1 new MP40, I could buy ~8 jebaos. If 8 new jebaos can last me 3 years, I think I'd be content with it. Replacement jebaos are cheaper as well instead of buying brand new. There's two kinds of markets it attracts of course.
tkeracer619
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I don't think I have a single mp40 that is newer then 3 years.
I am not sure where the 3 year number came from.
FWIW you can buy the wear items for vortechs cheaply. Replacing them before they fail will save a lot of money in the long run. I don't wait until my brakes on my car wear out to the point they trash the rotors and I don't let my wet sides get sloppy enough to damage the magnet on the wet side. These do not function the same way other prop pumps do. They have a thrust bearing surface that must cope with the forces that hold the two halves together. Normal prop pumps do not have a thrust bearing, its usually some sort of teflon washer because it barely has any force exerted on it.
If your wet side is making noise and realignment doesn't solve the issue then replace the bearing or drive shaft.
Running the pin spacer incorrectly will ruin a wet side quickly.
I am not sure where the 3 year number came from.
FWIW you can buy the wear items for vortechs cheaply. Replacing them before they fail will save a lot of money in the long run. I don't wait until my brakes on my car wear out to the point they trash the rotors and I don't let my wet sides get sloppy enough to damage the magnet on the wet side. These do not function the same way other prop pumps do. They have a thrust bearing surface that must cope with the forces that hold the two halves together. Normal prop pumps do not have a thrust bearing, its usually some sort of teflon washer because it barely has any force exerted on it.
If your wet side is making noise and realignment doesn't solve the issue then replace the bearing or drive shaft.
Running the pin spacer incorrectly will ruin a wet side quickly.
There are people who come here to learn and plan to help others once they have learned. There are people who come here to help others with what they have learned and also hope to learn more. There are also people who come here to try and cause trouble, disrupt discussion and offer virtually nothing constructive. After looking at all of the posts you have made on this Forum, it is clear which of those categories you are trying to fit in. Please note that those category 3 people tend to not last here very long.
Is that really what you hope for or can you see yourself fitting in the other two categories?
Johnjohn713
In Memoriam
What..are you on drugs or something? You just made that up out of no where didn't you?
James77
Team RC
Nope.....if you go back and read some of the posts going back the past year on Jebaos, you will see a good chunk of people saying they do not mind if they have to ditch them once a year since they can buy several for the price of a Vortech or the actual pump the Jebao knocked off, the Tunze. There was even a post right above one of your posts in this thread that stated that.
tkeracer619
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I've never known the owner of a Ferrari to be bitter at another mans entry level econo box. I do however know several econo box owners who are bitter towards another mans Ferrari.
Can't say I am bitter at all about people buying cheap junk. You can waste your money how you see fit. What I don't like is people with very little experience with said cheap junk fiercely promoting it as a cost effective solution, especially those new people whos accounts were created at the same time the pumps hit the market.
Can't say I am bitter at all about people buying cheap junk. You can waste your money how you see fit. What I don't like is people with very little experience with said cheap junk fiercely promoting it as a cost effective solution, especially those new people whos accounts were created at the same time the pumps hit the market.
Joe0813
Active member
im not bitter im just stating a fact... you get what you pay for.... you buy something that is cheap, well theres a reason for it... its made with cheap parts. cheap parts dont last.
Johnjohn713
In Memoriam
So you do have inside stats to back your claim? I suppose Vortech pumps are perfect...oh wait there are countless stories wet sides fail and make noise. My apology!
tkeracer619
New member
On those countless stories what did the person with the failed vortech end up doing? Did they throw it away and buy another?
Johnjohn713
In Memoriam
The point is not about junking anything you guys made it to be the focal point. And it seems you guys totally missed the key word "IF". Reading will help with retention.
James77
Team RC
What keyword IF?
People are discussing pumps....funny you mention reading, the very first post is of a person dealing with a Jebao crapping out a few times in 8 months. Now its a PITA for him dealing with the customer service due to a language barrier.
No one is saying that a Tunze or Vortech is problem proof. But they have very long track records as being extremely reliable. They also have outstanding customer service from 2 companies that are based in the US. You can expect wearable parts to fail over time, and they can be replaced. With vortechs it is the wetsides, with Tunzes it is the drive units. Many people have had Tunzes lasting 10+ years. I have never had one fail in almost 10 years of their products. Vortechs have a similar track record. Many, many people have posted that they do not care if the Jebao it total crap(we have yet to see its reliability long term), and they would be willing to pitch them and buy new ones many times.
You do get what you pay for, it is simple as that. If you do not want to pay that much, that is your choice....but don't start claiming that we are whining or are bitter because we paid more. I would pay the premium again and again knowing what I was getting in return/
reefermike1
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I was one of the first to buy a vortech when they first came out. I thought it was cool and worked well, but I also thought it was loud and wasn't worth the price, so I sold it. After being gone from the hobby for about 5 years I had kind of expected the price to come down to somewhere around $250 (what I'd say they are honestly worth), but nope... I've been thinking of trying a couple jaebos on my new build, but I dont like junk either. Where is the middle of the row bang for your buck powerhead? Sicce?
For me, like I said, I'm not expecting these things to last forever. Everyone saw it come out and thought MAYBE there was a comparable powerhead that costed 1/6 or 1/7 of the price of a mp40. I don't think anyone was expecting it to last as long, but at least a year or 2. Thus far, I have owned 2 wp25s and 2 wp40s since they came out (of course the 40s are older) and only 1 25 has needed to be replaced when it was just simply not as strong as it was originally. That powerhead was also from the first batch of pumps that they supposedly made which I got from a group buy on here so that could explain the problems.
If the tunze/ecotech products were substantially cheaper, I'm sure a lot more people would have invested into it. The problem is, like all pumps, there are some bad and some great. People fear spending $3xx-4xx for a pump that could crap out and they'd have to spend another $1xx-2xx to fix it. That's why the jebao with a low price tag is attractive, if it dies, it doesn't hurt too much. I'm lucky, 3/4 of mine still work flawlessly since day 1 (of course I clean it every month as well).
After battling all weekend with the folks at fish street, I either pay 17.00 for another housing or get nothing. They offered no options to compensate me for all the trouble I've had. I offered to buy another unit to go along with this one if they would work something out on a pair of replacement housing to go along with them. There answer was well if you buy the unit and we give you spares, that is the discount. I complained I'm only asking for spares because the product doesn't last. Horrible English translation I gave up. My mistake.
Best thing about WPs, IMO... all of the Tunze 6105s and 6100s that are cheap on the used market right now. I scored a pair of 6101s and a 7095 on CL for $200 - I have no doubts I will be running these in 10 years. I just got another set on here, but it was more. I am going to stock up before the prices go back up like Halides have recently.
AcroporAddict
There is no substitute.
Folks also forget that the Vortech MP40 has been for sale since 2006, 7 years before any of these Jebao pumps. And Tunze pumps before that by many years.
I enjoyed a flourishing 210 gallon SPS tank in 2008 thanks to the likes of Tunze and Vortech, while anyone waiting for a cheap, throw away pump that moved anywhere near the amount of water needed was just SOL.
OP: I am sorry you are having a hard time with customer Service, but that is the same experience folks in my local club are having as well. Personally, I would not expect much in the way of customer service, as the company/companies making these Jebaos are on an ultra thin profit margin to start with, and are probably not motivated to giving away anything that would decrease this further.
I enjoyed a flourishing 210 gallon SPS tank in 2008 thanks to the likes of Tunze and Vortech, while anyone waiting for a cheap, throw away pump that moved anywhere near the amount of water needed was just SOL.
OP: I am sorry you are having a hard time with customer Service, but that is the same experience folks in my local club are having as well. Personally, I would not expect much in the way of customer service, as the company/companies making these Jebaos are on an ultra thin profit margin to start with, and are probably not motivated to giving away anything that would decrease this further.
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