FS: Moorish Idol $100

skairik,
I whole heartley agree with everything you've written. You and I think alike. I didn't mean that you keeping a MI for 1 1/2 years was not a sucess in some way or another, but to be totally sucessful on any fish we keep, we would have to keep it close to the life span it would have in the wild. They do it with FW fish so why can't we do it with SW fish?

As for me and my first SW tank as MammothReefer aluded to, that first tank was back in the mid 70's, long before anyone knew much of anything about SW, long before a lot of the current hobbiest were even born. There are a few of us who have been at this for awhile. My second SW tank was also my first reef, back in 1990, and I had a learning curve there as well. We all learn and hopefully keep adding to our knowledge to keep from repeating the same mistake, otherwise we have learned nothing.

As skairik has stated, who does set the standard of what fish we can or can not keep? Also who is it that names the few people that seem to get to be the authority on giving a coral or fish a pretty little name so that they can raise the price to just this side of redulicas? But that's another pet peve of mine for another discussion.

If we want to keep MI's, which I plan on doing in the near future, we need to learn and also share our knowledge with others so that we can futher this hobby, not bully people who want to try something. Every fish is different, even of the same species, just like we are all different even though we are of the same species. ;)

Do you think we would have gotten as evolved as we have if no one tryed anything or shared their experiences?
 


As for me and my first SW tank as MammothReefer aluded to, that first tank was back in the mid 70's, long before anyone knew much of anything about SW, long before a lot of the current hobbiest were even born. There are a few of us who have been at this for awhile. My second SW tank was also my first reef, back in 1990, and I had a learning curve there as well. We all learn and hopefully keep adding to our knowledge to keep from repeating the same mistake, otherwise we have learned nothing.

I wasn't "alluding". That was exactly my point we all killed a good number of fish to get to the point where we are able to maintain a stable system and keep things alive. You alluded to saying 95% of all the fish you ever purchased are still alive, now you are saying that isn't the case.

Sure all the fish in my tank now are 2 years old can I say well 100% of what I have is two years or older sure, but the truth behind it is.. over the past whatever many years it I lost proboly a half dozen clownfish if not more for the 2 I have alive and healthy today, it's a learning process, and things go wrong out of our control. My point which some how got lost was this..

You want to keep an MI good, keep a MI. You want to have a better chance at keeping one alive, buy one from a fellow reefer that has it eating and living in captivity and not fresh off the boat.

:)
 
blown63chevy: I never took any offense at anything you've said. Quite the contrary. It certainly wasn't my intention to misrepresent my post like that. You're one of the few who isn't intimidated by the majority to speak his mind. And thank you for the compliment when you stated that we think alike for it truly is complimentary.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8181084#post8181084 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Wilafur
wow, if you only redirected all the effort to your family...........................


LMAO...wow...looks like i opened up a can of worms here haven't I...LMAO....

umm for starters... my son and I are doing well, the mother was given a little under $4k to catch me up on what i have missed... thanks for the concern... now if we could only get ur girl to stop calling me while ur at work, and "redirect" some of those calls to you...we might be getting somewhere ;)

john37... ur right... my comment was reguarding the color of the fish... as most fish change color and / or appearence during twilight hours, making my assumption wrong and ill timed, i have no shame in admitting when i am wrong, I do apologize. I should have read the whole post unstead of skimming through before rushing to comment, i would have learned that ur currrent resident fish didnt take well to the new guy... i was in a super rush and didnt get back into town til now, and for that, i made myself look like an @ss... acceptable. But as for your Irwin comment...LMAO... He got what he had commin to him... Ironic enough... so did I :p

my bad man... i apologize.
im not that big of a @sS ;)
Cris
 
ps.
Good luck with the sale, sorry if i have posed as a negative effect, to make up for my stupidity, if you cant find a buyer withen 30 days... ill take him for your asking price.... that fish deserves a good home... IF you cant find a suitable one...DONATING is ALWAYS an option :p
 
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"im not that big of a @sS"

Having just read your latest post, have to agree with you. Jolly good show!
 
I think all seems to be OK now, Good post from Salt-e and encouragement from others.

Getting back on track.
 
Personally, I say leave these beautiful but difficult fish in the sea.That said,, no one should fault this man for wanting to sell the fish. Same with macro. When I buy it from LFS, its expensive. Nothing wrong with someone wanting to make a couple bucks.
 
I can't believe this thread is still going. Of course I am not helping either but what the hell. Here is my two cents:

I wouldn't buy the fish unless he throws in that food bowl.

How would you know if the fish would continue to eat in your tank withouth that bowl?
 
tetra, you're a funny guy. :D the food bowl is to keep the pellets from getting everywhere. he still eats the pellets and flakes that aren't in the bowl.

Chris, thank you and no problem.

For everyone else....i've decided to keep him for another 4 weeks since quarantine is supposed to be 6weeks or something like that. If he's still good after the 4 weeks i'll post him for sale again. Except i might grow too attached.

He's in a 4ft frag tank but i'd like him to go to a home no less than 6ft please. So 4 weeks is enough time for you guys to set up a new large tank ;)

Thank you everyone for your opinions on the matter and hope you wont post on my next fs thread. j/k :D

but really, thanks everyone
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8190222#post8190222 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by salt e
... now if we could only get ur girl to stop calling me while ur at work, and "redirect" some of those calls to you...we might be getting somewhere ;)
nice feeble attempt at humor. but considering your circumstances, i'll give you a D- for effort. :D
 
tetra, you're a funny guy. the food bowl is to keep the pellets from getting everywhere. he still eats the pellets and flakes that aren't in the bowl.

Actually I think I invented the food bowl thing :lol:

Besides that (and I hate to start this) I have some experience with moorish Idols too. I have been keeping them for about 30 years and have had about a dozen of them, my present one is about three years old. I have also dove with them in the South Pacific quite a few times.

I also do believe that a moorish Idol, unlike most fish can look healthy one day and drop dead the next day (personal experience) I also think that while a year and a half with an Idol is fine it is probably one tenth of their natural life span. This fish IMO should live at least ten years, probably closer to fifteen. Of course I don't know that for a fact, I am just going by related species of the same size.
I also think that there is something about this fish that is still eluding us. If one person has one or two of them for five years that still is inadaquate. Most of my fish live at least ten years and one lived 18 until I killed it by accident. A moorish Idol is almost the only fish in my over fifty years of keeping fish that I can't get to live to it's normal life expectancy. (the other one is a copper band butterfly) There are over 10,000 hobyiests on this forum and not one of them has a moorish Idol for any length of time as far as I can tell. Two years, five years still stinks. That is not a success. If someone keeps ten of them for ten years, thats a success. If you keep a dog for two years, would that be considered good?
I do not consider myself an expert, but there are no moorish Idol experts because no one has kept them long enough or dove with them enough to learn what we need to know. I do not think food is a big factor. I never had one that would not eat. I still think it is the fact that they need a mate as I have hardly ever seen them alone. They are always in a mated pair. I also think the females would be harder to keep because I have always seen the male leading the females to the food (which is almost always sponge), when the female gets there, the male leaves to find more. Maybe they need this to live a long life. Maybe they are just spiteing us I really don't know.
Anyway, have a great day.
(hello there Chevy)
Paul

ps, as for morish Idols being abundant, yes they are. They are all over the place in the South Pacific, especially in shallow water.
And I know that before long one of you guys will be keeping them for many years.
 
THATS IT! They need to eat from a bowl :lol:

That purple thing is a dish. It has a tube going to the surface with a funnel on top. An automatic feeder puts food in it twice a day. I feed it the other time with other things.
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And here he is when I first put in the dish.
Now he's as big as the dish.
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8192147#post8192147 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Wilafur
nice feeble attempt at humor. but considering your circumstances, i'll give you a D- for effort. :D

hey... better then an F :D
 
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