Ginger works with ich... Every time I use it

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I will try my best to explain it later tonight or early tomorrow. This worked in the past and I didn't even realize what I was doing. I thought I just got lucky and the Ich went away. Maybe I did just get lucky but I want try it again
 
I will try my best to explain it later tonight or early tomorrow. This worked in the past and I didn't even realize what I was doing. I thought I just got lucky and the Ich went away. Maybe I did just get lucky but I want try it again

Looking forward to hearing this method you tried!!!
 
First a couple of facts: it's nothing at all like birth control, neither of the reasons presented is the reason why there is no birth control pill for men, and there are methods for male contraception. Use is another issue, but that's true with everything. But most importantly, let's talk about fish :)

With regard to whether or not there may be a random herb that could, in theory, be a reef-safe cure for ich: Sure, why not? A few examples of random herbs giving us medicine we use in people:

Digitalis -- one of the most widely used medications for atrial fibrillation today and the original cure for a disease called "Dropsy" (now known as congestive heart failure) was introduced in 1785 by William Withering. It comes from a plant called "Foxglove," the extract of which was long known to be a highly effective poison and was used in the middle ages as a means to determine guilt or innocence by divine intervention in the now infamous "trial by ordeal" system.

Colchicine -- a highly potent anti-microtubule drug extracted from the autumn crocus and is known today primarily for its use in acute attacks of Gouty Arthritis. Reports of the use of this plant for the treatment of such conditions date back to ancient Egypt.

Aspirin -- Widely regarded as a boarderline miracle drug for its ability to improve heart-health and anti-inflammatory action, this drug has been in use in it's herbal form since before the common era. The most commonly known natural source is willow, but there are other plants you can get it from. The ancient Egyptians knew about this one too (My gosh were they cool).

I guess I'll get to the point. The standpoint that we normally take in this argument is that just because someone reports a natural remedy to work doesn't mean it actually did (correlation does not equal causation), but the opposite statement is equally false, as correlation might equal causation. Considering the origins of many of the medications that we use, we should not be so quick to dismiss claims that have not yet been adequately investigated. All we can say is that they aren't known to work (unless of course they have been investigated and shown to be ineffective).

This does not mean that we should snub our noses at what is already known to work (e.g. QT and copper). Indeed, that is the route I would take 100% of the time in my own aquarium barring a future discovery. But, reports such as this one, although not scientific and purely anecdotal, are not entirely without value. I guess my point is we shouldn't be so quick to disparage what we don't know. Whether or not it's the best action to take when we have things we know to work is another issue entirely, but the idea that ginger can't work simply because it's herbal is a bit presumptuous.
 
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Ok.... My start in this hobby was a nightmare thanks to the guy who selling $100 a week in sick live stock equipment that was not right for what I had. So after my tank actually did cycle and fish deaths started to slow down and I realized what the spots were I gave up and was gonna let the fish die off and get rid of the tank. Well this tank didn't have a sump and I was done so I would let the water level would get very low. Now mind you these fish were just a mess with Ich. Ok back to the water level. So I would dump about a gallon of RODI water in the tank and fish would hang out I the steam of fresh water, they seemed to like it, probably the extra flow they needed since the tank had little. Well to my surprise the the last few fish in the tank survived, (I still have all three). So a few months later I add more fish from the same shop and again they were Ich covered. Again I was gonna just let nature take its course, still topping off water about a quart per day and the Ich went away and I went on about my business . Then I bought a 70 gallon feeling pretty good about myself at this point, I bought more fish from the same guy (I'm a slow learner I guess) and they all showed up with Ich. Still topping off into display tank. The Ich again went away and tank was running for about 18 months problem free. I have up graded again to a 150 and added one damn fish from a shop that said "we run copper" and bam Ich is back. So I tryed the ginger, didn't go well, so what did was marked water level on my sump and turned off the auto top off and let water level drop for about 12 hours then topped off into display tank. I put food in the top off water turn off all pumps and dump fresh water and food into tank, the fish feed in the fresh water that has not mixed yet. I have done it twice and improvement was huge (visually) but I believe it helps the fish fight it on its own. If you can keep "washing" the parasite off and with good flow and filtration I think it can be beat.
 
Ok.... My start in this hobby was a nightmare thanks to the guy who selling $100 a week in sick live stock equipment that was not right for what I had. So after my tank actually did cycle and fish deaths started to slow down and I realized what the spots were I gave up and was gonna let the fish die off and get rid of the tank. Well this tank didn't have a sump and I was done so I would let the water level would get very low. Now mind you these fish were just a mess with Ich. Ok back to the water level. So I would dump about a gallon of RODI water in the tank and fish would hang out I the steam of fresh water, they seemed to like it, probably the extra flow they needed since the tank had little. Well to my surprise the the last few fish in the tank survived, (I still have all three). So a few months later I add more fish from the same shop and again they were Ich covered. Again I was gonna just let nature take its course, still topping off water about a quart per day and the Ich went away and I went on about my business . Then I bought a 70 gallon feeling pretty good about myself at this point, I bought more fish from the same guy (I'm a slow learner I guess) and they all showed up with Ich. Still topping off into display tank. The Ich again went away and tank was running for about 18 months problem free. I have up graded again to a 150 and added one damn fish from a shop that said "we run copper" and bam Ich is back. So I tryed the ginger, didn't go well, so what did was marked water level on my sump and turned off the auto top off and let water level drop for about 12 hours then topped off into display tank. I put food in the top off water turn off all pumps and dump fresh water and food into tank, the fish feed in the fresh water that has not mixed yet. I have done it twice and improvement was huge (visually) but I believe it helps the fish fight it on its own. If you can keep "washing" the parasite off and with good flow and filtration I think it can be beat.
THIS is why threads like this suck. Its really is beyond silly to think you cured ich with poor husbandry/top off habits and water. and i'm generally offended by the idea of 'letting nature take its course'. You took the fish from nature, YOU are now nature. Live up to your commitment.
I'm all for having an open mind about new avenues when folks do so with some knowledge and understanding. This isn't it, and this is why people stay away from topics like this.
 
Ok.... My start in this hobby was a nightmare thanks to the guy who selling $100 a week in sick live stock equipment that was not right for what I had. So after my tank actually did cycle and fish deaths started to slow down and I realized what the spots were I gave up and was gonna let the fish die off and get rid of the tank. Well this tank didn't have a sump and I was done so I would let the water level would get very low. Now mind you these fish were just a mess with Ich. Ok back to the water level. So I would dump about a gallon of RODI water in the tank and fish would hang out I the steam of fresh water, they seemed to like it, probably the extra flow they needed since the tank had little. Well to my surprise the the last few fish in the tank survived, (I still have all three). So a few months later I add more fish from the same shop and again they were Ich covered. Again I was gonna just let nature take its course, still topping off water about a quart per day and the Ich went away and I went on about my business . Then I bought a 70 gallon feeling pretty good about myself at this point, I bought more fish from the same guy (I'm a slow learner I guess) and they all showed up with Ich. Still topping off into display tank. The Ich again went away and tank was running for about 18 months problem free. I have up graded again to a 150 and added one damn fish from a shop that said "we run copper" and bam Ich is back. So I tryed the ginger, didn't go well, so what did was marked water level on my sump and turned off the auto top off and let water level drop for about 12 hours then topped off into display tank. I put food in the top off water turn off all pumps and dump fresh water and food into tank, the fish feed in the fresh water that has not mixed yet. I have done it twice and improvement was huge (visually) but I believe it helps the fish fight it on its own. If you can keep "washing" the parasite off and with good flow and filtration I think it can be beat.

I think the best interpretation of that situation is that the fish you kept bringing it kept getting ich from your tank. So the issue is any new fish you add or during times of stress, it will probably show up again. This is why we advocate for quarantining and eradicating the parasite. The diseases can get out of control very quickly in our closed water boxes.
 
What is the difference between this and tearing your tank apart and catching your fish stressing the whole tank and dipping in fresh water for 5 to 10 minutes. Truth is I totally believe most LFS will tell you what ever you want to hear hence the problem I have now from a shop that told me they run copper in there system quarantine is the only 100% way to fix the problem but 3 years ago every fish I took out of my tank died, everyone I left alone is still with me and my tank is my pride and joy now. I had a very steep learning curve in the beginning and still Learn something this hobby every day that's why love it.
 
This makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Topping off with fresh water is common practice and will not change the sg appreciably;certainly , not to hyposaline levels with any hope of treatment effectivenes. The observations of fish improvement noted are at best well very questionable or inacurrate or unrelated to topping off the tank . The water mixes very quickly and the practice described will have no effect on the parasite ,whatsoever.

As for a try it what can it hurt mentality, Lot's of things can hurt.
I do wonder if ginger which has reported effects in digestion in humans will have negative effects on the intestinal flora of some fishes or the organics in the tank for example.
Holding off on top off to do it in bulk will cause fluctuations in sg which can be harmful in a reef tank as anothr example.

Study up on the subject if you want to learn. I don't like to disparage efforts but there is a difference between honest disciplined inquiry and simply throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. In the meantime a lack of effective treatment will kill lots of fish.

It's irresponsible to encourage others to use methods that are not understood , ill informed and untested.
 
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It's dipping the fish in fresh water without having to take out of the tank, fresh takes a little while to mix, long enough to get the parasite to drop off.
 
If this fails I will be the first to say it doesn't work. But one thing I learned about sick fish is you must pay attention to everything in and out of the tank, everything you add or take away, I even take fresh air from outside my sump area for my skimmer. And this the only reason I can come up with As to why my fish survived those early infestations.
 
Fresh water dips aren't a cure for ich. They can temporarily provide relief to a fish who has a nasty case by affecting the external cysts, but as you say it stresses the fish and it doesn't get all of the parasite off, so it's really more of a hail-marry pass as an adjuvent to a curative therapy like copper.
 
It's dipping the fish in fresh water without having to take out of the tank, fresh takes a little while to mix, long enough to get the parasite to drop off.


don't take it personally, but you clearly indicate that you have absolutely no understanding of what the parasite is, or how it works.

nor do you seem to understand what a dip actually is.

so far, you've been wrong, blatantly wrong, on nearly every 'conclusion' you seem to have arrived at :(

how you get to fish swimming in a 'stream' of fw in a sw tank to being anything remotely similiar to a fw dip is beyond me-rest assured they aren't remotely similiar.

:rolleyes:
 
I know quit a bit about the parasites in mammals, reptiles and fish. While I am new to fish I have only been keeping saltwater fish about three year but have caring for sick
Animals all my life. The big difference in aquariums is you can't change the environment much without causing harm.
 
don't take it personally, but you clearly indicate that you have absolutely no understanding of what the parasite is, or how it works.

nor do you seem to understand what a dip actually is.

so far, you've been wrong, blatantly wrong, on nearly every 'conclusion' you seem to have arrived at :(

how you get to fish swimming in a 'stream' of fw in a sw tank to being anything remotely similiar to a fw dip is beyond me-rest assured they aren't remotely similiar.

:rolleyes:

Fresh water maintains a "bubble" long enough for fish to finish eating and exposing the parasite to fresh water .
 
How long do you think it takes for fresh water to mix in? Have you timed it? How long is long enough? How much frshwater do you need to kill pasaites? How does it kill parasites? Which ones? Are some strains more sensitive than others? Why doesn't swimming in freshwater harm slatwter fish? Why are your fish dying?
 
Miracle mud claims that you can even introduce ich to your tank purposely and it will be eradicated!!!! Check it out if you don't believe me.
 
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