The sculpin
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Enough said LOL:beer:
Ginger works with ich... Every time I use it
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accordsirh22
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i've been dealing w/ this 'self imposed lack of knowledge' for many many years among the 'hobbyist public', and it's getting very very old. it seems like no one born after 1970 is capable of taking 10 minutes to do proper research and use the critical thinking necessary/needed to actually solve a problem 'correctly'.
no one should respect either that attitude, or behavior, imo. it has absolutely NO value to anyone- especially on a disease treatment thread.
+1 sir. I work at a lfs and the amount of people that buy fish which they dont even know the name is disgusting. the amount of people that ask me the same questions over and over and over, after i answer them the first time, or tell them "i dont know, go google/research it" is just appalling. really makes me wish we lived in a world where peoples willfully ignorant mistakes/choices had severe consequences....
The sculpin
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Those people sign your pay check!
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Yes
The sculpin
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Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo does it work
My tank has improved, that's all I better say. Lol
Nonense is nonsense ,cyberspace doesn't make it wiser,but does seem to encourage more of it since the anonymity of the media gives cover and ecourages more bravado and irresponsible unstudied, undisciplined advice.
Ginger, cinamon, tea leaves ,ro water streams, miracle mud , ich is no problem,healthy fish can beat it and on and on is nonsense .
Ich is a plague in this hobby , it kills too many fish and makes them suffer wheter they are well fed and unstessed or not.
Sad . It doesn't have to be that way as efective treaments and protocols are well known and well studied.
In a closed system one parasite can make 200 in 10 t o14 days then 200x200 then 40,000 x200 and so on. It's not like a flea or a mosquito or any minor nuisance; it's a killer. Some fish develop a partial immunity to certain strains and live with it for a time albeit not as well as they would without it; many don't .
Ginger, cinamon, tea leaves ,ro water streams, miracle mud , ich is no problem,healthy fish can beat it and on and on is nonsense .
Ich is a plague in this hobby , it kills too many fish and makes them suffer wheter they are well fed and unstessed or not.
Sad . It doesn't have to be that way as efective treaments and protocols are well known and well studied.
In a closed system one parasite can make 200 in 10 t o14 days then 200x200 then 40,000 x200 and so on. It's not like a flea or a mosquito or any minor nuisance; it's a killer. Some fish develop a partial immunity to certain strains and live with it for a time albeit not as well as they would without it; many don't .
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I agree with what your saying 100% but when the horse is out of the barn and the option is tearing down the barn and building a new one I think it's reasonable to look for another option, I spent a week on my rock work, my corals are doing great, I have no algae problems. I don't want to start over. Trust me I now have a permanent quarantine tank running right now. I will even quarantine corals.
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tang named junkyard
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The ginger is still working as I knew it would. No trace anywhere. I think if a fish is very ill from ich it's past the stage of treatment. Especially if they've stopped eating. Even copper or fresh water dips won't save that fish at that point.
Ginger is the only thing I've ever put in my tank that worked.
Ginger is the only thing I've ever put in my tank that worked.
vitz
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while your fish's immediate situation may very well have improved, what you're observing has absolutely no bearing on the system's or tank's 'health' w/ respect to ich. it's very important to get, and make, that distinction. otherwise you're playing a dangerous game of ich roulette. if it's a game you think you can afford from a time and money perspective (if the animal's needs aren't enough for you), then i don't think anyone will be able to convince you just how important the distinction is
bear in mind this is offered only to help you, in the long term aspect of tank husbandry, as critically worded as it (or any of my other posts) may seem.
i've been down alot of 'miracle ich cures' roads since the late '70's (anyone remember 'marine-oomed'? or the copper penny in a mesh pouch? lol) -i'd offer that you might want to at least consider the advice of the 'old timers' who've 'been there, done that'. the only reason the advice is given is to give you the benefit of our trials/tribulations in an attempt to spare you and your fish the same.
and in the case of ich treatment, it's a well established, fairly exact science
vitz
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no, it isn't, unfortunately. (that whole observational co-incidence vs. proven causation thing again).
The sculpin
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Despite what you may think I am NOT dismissing what either of you are saying and appreciate your help. Despite being called ignorant, infantile and what ever else. (Im a professional kicking post at work so I don't care) I am not either of those and have been caring for animals for almost 50 years. I get it! Ounce of prevention worth a pound of cure has never been so true.
Because if go against convention everyone gets their panties in a bunch.
I don't wear panties ; ny responses are to your suggestions; didn't call you any of those names;don't know you at all. Don't care if you like or don't like the critique of the suggestions you made but urge others not to follow them. I am concerned about treating the animals we keep well ; your positions are nonsensical and contrary to that goal ; will do harm if only through neglect and warrant no further response.
I don't wear panties ; ny responses are to your suggestions; didn't call you any of those names;don't know you at all. Don't care if you like or don't like the critique of the suggestions you made but urge others not to follow them. I am concerned about treating the animals we keep well ; your positions are nonsensical and contrary to that goal ; will do harm if only through neglect and warrant no further response.
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The sculpin
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No vitz did
ingtar_shinowa
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shocking........
vitz
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you also need to be able to discern the difference between me calling YOU infantile vs me calling WHAT YOU SAY is infantile.
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Wow, guys, don't make it personal. This was and still is a ginger topic. I think vitz needs to calm down, no need to get high blood pressure over this, and The sculpin accept that what you are doing with RO stream is like ****ing against the wind.
For any parasite to react to FW dips, the fish has to be in FW for more than a few seconds, until everything mixes FW+SW. Maybe this method worked because you lowered the salinity, adding FW, not because you gentle wash them with freshwater.
I have a ich problem with my tang. QT is out of the question for me (we are expecting) and my wife is giving me S%@# already for spending too much time with the tank.
The blue tang is the only one affected, and I have it for over a month. For me treating with ginger for 2 weeks, didn't work. Ginger is a hoax. Now I am working on food. I already started feeding it good food (rich in protein, vitamins) and I added metronidazole to prevent infections. I am trying to increase the fish immune system.
I added the tang to my system on Sept 20th, and nothing died since, of ich of course. In the last few days since I stopped garlic and ginger, and concentrated on tang target feeding with only metro, the looks clean.
My tank has strong water currents and a good filtering system. Tank has designed for SPS. This might be another reason the white spots on the fish were diminishing day by day, and a cleaner shrimp with big balls (lucky me).
I will continue this journey and keep you posted.
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vitz there is no need to be so rude. I respect your experience (you could be like my father, even like my grandfather), but there is no need to make such "smart mouth" remarks. I know you want the world to recognize your knowledge and experience, and you are right 50% of the hobbyists have no idea about marine chemistry, but to say that no one born after 1970 can take 10 minutes to do proper searching, is too much.
You mustn't forget, we invented the internet you are searching on, while generation 60's-70's was celebrating Woodstock.
For any parasite to react to FW dips, the fish has to be in FW for more than a few seconds, until everything mixes FW+SW. Maybe this method worked because you lowered the salinity, adding FW, not because you gentle wash them with freshwater.
I have a ich problem with my tang. QT is out of the question for me (we are expecting) and my wife is giving me S%@# already for spending too much time with the tank.
The blue tang is the only one affected, and I have it for over a month. For me treating with ginger for 2 weeks, didn't work. Ginger is a hoax. Now I am working on food. I already started feeding it good food (rich in protein, vitamins) and I added metronidazole to prevent infections. I am trying to increase the fish immune system.
I added the tang to my system on Sept 20th, and nothing died since, of ich of course. In the last few days since I stopped garlic and ginger, and concentrated on tang target feeding with only metro, the looks clean.
My tank has strong water currents and a good filtering system. Tank has designed for SPS. This might be another reason the white spots on the fish were diminishing day by day, and a cleaner shrimp with big balls (lucky me).
I will continue this journey and keep you posted.
PS:
vitz there is no need to be so rude. I respect your experience (you could be like my father, even like my grandfather), but there is no need to make such "smart mouth" remarks. I know you want the world to recognize your knowledge and experience, and you are right 50% of the hobbyists have no idea about marine chemistry, but to say that no one born after 1970 can take 10 minutes to do proper searching, is too much.
You mustn't forget, we invented the internet you are searching on, while generation 60's-70's was celebrating Woodstock.
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