What's the harm?... Dead fish tell no lies!
Ginger works with ich... Every time I use it
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What's the harm?... Dead fish tell no lies!
Adding ro water for top of will do nothing for ich.
Fish with non observable symptoms,partial immunity , still harbor parsites in the softer tissues of the nose, mouth and gills usneen. A new fish will ikely be infected. That might lead to an outbreak for the other fish. It can take more than a year or longer for single strain to expire without any new strains coming into the tank.
Fish with non observable symptoms,partial immunity , still harbor parsites in the softer tissues of the nose, mouth and gills usneen. A new fish will ikely be infected. That might lead to an outbreak for the other fish. It can take more than a year or longer for single strain to expire without any new strains coming into the tank.
krzyphsygy
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Tagging along
The sculpin
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In your opinion do fresh water dips work? That seems to be one of the excepted forms of treatment.
BoricuaMojao
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As I understand they work by dislodging the tomonts from the fish, then you remove the fish from that environment. But in the case of the freshwater addition like you described, they may be dislodged from the fish but are still within the system to re-attach later. That is why i imagine TMZ discounts what you were doing as effective.
Here's the thing... somebody who was just about to go fallow & QT/treat might see this thread and try ginger instead. And if you choose to do that... you do so at your own risk. Of course, going fallow & QT/treat is not without it's own risks.
But IMO, in our collective fight against Ich we should leave no stone unturned. So personally, I'm eager to test out ginger on a test subject in a QT environment and encourage others to do the same. If we all just followed the "proven methods" and didn't think outside the box, drugs like chloroquine phosphate & quinine sulfate would have never been "discovered" to fight parasites.
But IMO, in our collective fight against Ich we should leave no stone unturned. So personally, I'm eager to test out ginger on a test subject in a QT environment and encourage others to do the same. If we all just followed the "proven methods" and didn't think outside the box, drugs like chloroquine phosphate & quinine sulfate would have never been "discovered" to fight parasites.
vitz
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fw dips won't affect the cysts, but it will kill any free swimming 'worms' (the active infectious stage), thereby free-ing up the gills to get oxygen properly, thereby helping the fish to both conserve energy otherwise used for labored breathing, and to use that energy for its immune system, which is severely depressed, at best, by the time an infection becomes major. this is why it's the absolute 1st thing i always recommend. it's established science that they indeed work to provide major immediate relief for a stricken fish.
for the most part-stopping the fish from choking to death from parasite covered gill filaments is the 'action of priority' when addressing a well infected fish.it's the most pressing/immediate issue at hand. in advanced stages, a fish might have to take 3, 4, or more breaths to get the same amount of oxygen as a clean fish does in one breath (it might be 3, it might be 8, but you get the general idea). while it's being attacked by parasites. burns both ends of the candle at the same time, in a manner of speaking.
it's kind of like trying to cure an infected toe while a patient is having an asthma attack-being able to run won't make much difference to someone who can't breathe
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usually, as soon as the gills are relatively clean and the fish can breathe well again, its appetite will pick up
the dip, however, only addresses what's vulnerable to a dip on the fish, and doesn't address the issue of the system's 'ich levels'.
this is why folks use hypo combined w/a fallow period (but both must be for at LEAST 8-10 weeks, and the protocols MUST be followed exactly). the hypo can be tolerated for a very long time by the fish, it's as effective as fw, and it's the perfect 'companion' treatment, given its time frame, that allows for leaving the tank fallow (to starve out the ich in the tank-at least in theory
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i imagine you could deal w/ich by doing regular frequent dips for a very long time w/out hypo (all you have to do is prevent re-infection from occuring long enough to starve out the parasite-but it would likely take far longer to achieve total eradication (a premise i have yet to accept), but it should be able to at least keep you 'outbreak free' (read: w/ subclinical infection(s)) for a long time.
for the most part-stopping the fish from choking to death from parasite covered gill filaments is the 'action of priority' when addressing a well infected fish.it's the most pressing/immediate issue at hand. in advanced stages, a fish might have to take 3, 4, or more breaths to get the same amount of oxygen as a clean fish does in one breath (it might be 3, it might be 8, but you get the general idea). while it's being attacked by parasites. burns both ends of the candle at the same time, in a manner of speaking.
it's kind of like trying to cure an infected toe while a patient is having an asthma attack-being able to run won't make much difference to someone who can't breathe
) .usually, as soon as the gills are relatively clean and the fish can breathe well again, its appetite will pick up
the dip, however, only addresses what's vulnerable to a dip on the fish, and doesn't address the issue of the system's 'ich levels'.
this is why folks use hypo combined w/a fallow period (but both must be for at LEAST 8-10 weeks, and the protocols MUST be followed exactly). the hypo can be tolerated for a very long time by the fish, it's as effective as fw, and it's the perfect 'companion' treatment, given its time frame, that allows for leaving the tank fallow (to starve out the ich in the tank-at least in theory
)i imagine you could deal w/ich by doing regular frequent dips for a very long time w/out hypo (all you have to do is prevent re-infection from occuring long enough to starve out the parasite-but it would likely take far longer to achieve total eradication (a premise i have yet to accept), but it should be able to at least keep you 'outbreak free' (read: w/ subclinical infection(s)) for a long time.
The sculpin
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How low do take salinity? How fast do you drop it? How do corals handle it?
Perhaps it would be good to read and get an understanding.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1985626
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1985626
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All these REEF SAFE cures are chased by hobbyist who "Don't want to tear apart their DT and leave it fallow". There are proven QT methods to eliminate this parasite and to keep your DT free from it. I had to pay that price for breaking my QT regimen one time. These nasty bastards are only vulnerable in their swimming stage. So think about it, your water column at that point needs to have a certain level of toxicity to kill 100 percent of them. Such as the level of copper needed to maintain a 100 percent kill rate.It's sort of like birth control, why is there no birth control pill for males?? Much easier to control one egg in a female versus killing tens of thousand sperm. That's why the fish farm industry is working on a vaccine which blocks the little ich swimmers ability to attach to a host to complete it's life cycle. Do you really think feeding garlic,ginger or some random herb is going to achieve this?[/QUOTE]
There are no birth control methods for men because it is assumed the female's responsibility, and in most cases it turns out to be that way. There are loads more single mom's than there are single dads. Stopping those tens of thousands of sperm can be done quickly and easily with a safe and effective one time treatment that the majority of men will never undertake, regardless of the numerous health problems associated with the birth control methods employed by their spouses, both mental and physical and regardless of their desire to have more children (being female in a male dominated hobby, I felt obligated to post this)
other than that, and what t i previously noted on this thread, I agree with you.
All these REEF SAFE cures are chased by hobbyist who "Don't want to tear apart their DT and leave it fallow". There are proven QT methods to eliminate this parasite and to keep your DT free from it. I had to pay that price for breaking my QT regimen one time. These nasty bastards are only vulnerable in their swimming stage. So think about it, your water column at that point needs to have a certain level of toxicity to kill 100 percent of them. Such as the level of copper needed to maintain a 100 percent kill rate.It's sort of like birth control, why is there no birth control pill for males?? Much easier to control one egg in a female versus killing tens of thousand sperm. That's why the fish farm industry is working on a vaccine which blocks the little ich swimmers ability to attach to a host to complete it's life cycle. Do you really think feeding garlic,ginger or some random herb is going to achieve this?[/QUOTE]
There are no birth control methods for men because it is assumed the female's responsibility, and in most cases it turns out to be that way. There are loads more single mom's than there are single dads. Stopping those tens of thousands of sperm can be done quickly and easily with a safe and effective one time treatment that the majority of men will never undertake, regardless of the numerous health problems associated with the birth control methods employed by their spouses, both mental and physical and regardless of their desire to have more children (being female in a male dominated hobby, I felt obligated to post this)
other than that, and what t i previously noted on this thread, I agree with you.
DopeCantWin
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Are you also going to try ginger instead of going to a hospital if you get a heart attack? There are many scientists who have worked on this issue. Many who are probably working today. They've found treatments that work. Use their knowledge instead of roots and hearsay.
I would love to know who first discovered copper, tank transfer, hypo, etc. as suitable treatments for Cryptocaryon Irritans. Was it some scientist? Or overachieving hobbyist?
michaellee64
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Just wanted to commend you for speaking out! (Single Dad who raised 3 children)
fltekdiver
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Any updates from the few that are trying this?
That was a little excessive considering the simple point he was trying to make. lol
The sculpin
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I stopped ginger after 5 days, it seemed to slow the feeding behavior and aggravate fish. I switched to a different treatment and after 24 the improvement is remarkable, it will take about a month I think to see if really works, but short term it definitely give the fish short term relief without needing to tear down the tank. Last night the fishes eyes were cloudy and he was covered with spots this morning eyes cleared and only two spots on tail that I could see with magnifying glass. STOP RIGHT THERE!!! I know this is part of the cycle, I have read the sticky on here and more. Let's see if the infection shows up again. Then you can say I told you so.
The sculpin
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Anyone in San Diego area with Ich problem? Looking for another tank to try this on.
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