<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9884349#post9884349 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by greenbean36191
The information isn't "neglected." It just isn't presented
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9884349#post9884349 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by greenbean36191
It's not necessary for the average Joe to understand the relative importance of each of the forcings used in models in order to understand the conclusion that natural forcings alone don't account for the observed trends.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9884349#post9884349 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by greenbean36191
Science never "proves" anything.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9884349#post9884349 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by greenbean36191
Also, it can never even support anything but the facts.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9884349#post9884349 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by greenbean36191
Science is completely useless if we assume that it's wrong just because it has been in the past.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9884349#post9884349 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by greenbean36191
The members of the IPCC are not politicians.
Why don't you answer those questions?<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9883637#post9883637 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by virginiadiver69
Just how much has it warmed in the past 200 years?
Is that the most the climate has ever changed?
What is the perfect temp. that the climate should be?
Please. Unfounded generalizations.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9883637#post9883637 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by virginiadiver69
There are to many people that have a non Altruistic vested interest in this. When the people who are pushing this the hardest are lawyers in the form of politicians, the united nations (which is nothing but a bunch of dictators, human rights abusers and down right thugs), the media in all of its forms who love nothing but sensationalism,
anti-globalists, anti-capitalist etc. etc. I get a little leery of the fatalistic predictions of fire and brimstone.
A price we will pay? More like a price they can gouge. When they shut down oil refineries because there was excess production, it becomes price gouging. Not to mention the mass transit available in my area a hundred years ago that were bought by oil companies and removed so that we would have to buy cars. But, I don't care. They're shooting themselves in the foot by making alternative sources of energy affordable.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9883637#post9883637 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by virginiadiver69
On the flip side you have the evil oil companies. Their only responsibility is to give consumers what they ask for at a price we will pay. If people demanded en-mas for electric cars or solar powered this or hydrogen powered that we would have had it a long time ago. But they haven't so they don't.
That's a problem isn't it? If you don't trust scientists, you'll never trust the science.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9883637#post9883637 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by virginiadiver69
I think you make a mistake when you underestimate peoples willingness to understand an issue when they do not feel they are being lied to for an ulterior motive.
More and more people are starting to notice the inconsistencies in this debate. You add to that the utter hypocrisy of the people who warn of our eventual demise and this whole issue is a loser.
Google man.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9883637#post9883637 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by virginiadiver69
This is were it gets touchy. Do to the fact that the united nations and politicians are the major players in this it is nearly impossible for it to not to become a discussion of politics. It is political at it's very core. It is a real shame that the u.n. is involved in this because any real efforts in this matter are doomed to fail from the beginning. I challenge anybody to name two positive outcomes on something that the united nations has been heavily involved in.
You can't prove that, and the scientists that show their research in the IPCC had that data before being asked to have it included in the report, as greenbean said. Also, there is a difference between having your research included in the IPCC and having your research FUNDED by Exxon/Mobil.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9885007#post9885007 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by virginiadiver69
I'm sorry but this simply is not true. It's in the name. The IPCC had a summary of facts that they wanted to put forth then found scientists that could be swayed by grant money to further the dogma. These scientists should be looked at as critically as you would a skeptic of global warming that is employed by Exxon-Mobile.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9885007#post9885007 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by virginiadiver69
This is the elitist attitude that "the average joe" is starting to pick up on. Let's face it, Roseau was right when he said that the inconvenient truths are left out intentionally for the fear that they will only hamper the argument. That's how you get statments like "The scary thing is that even using the conservative models, I'll live to see dramatic changes in sea level. If that recent estimate proves true, I'll living on my boat anchored in my yard "
I would like to amend this statement by saying that AFAIK oil companies don't fund research, only think tanks and policy groups.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9886066#post9886066 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HippieSmell
You can't prove that, and the scientists that show their research in the IPCC had that data before being asked to have it included in the report, as greenbean said. Also, there is a difference between having your research included in the IPCC and having your research FUNDED by Exxon/Mobil.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9887803#post9887803 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by virginiadiver69
Bill, I seriously assumed you meant that as a little good natured rhetorical hyperbole. Are you really predicting a 20' rise in the coastal water line within your life time? :eek1:
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9892377#post9892377 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by billsreef
the North Pole ice sheets are oceanic.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9892377#post9892377 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by billsreef
All that water has to go somewhere.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9897190#post9897190 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rosseau
Virginia, do you like South Park?
I think there are a few episodes which you would love.
One especially - It is about the pollution created over urban cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco where "smug clouds" from drivers of hybrid cars chokes out the city air.