Growth Cycle ?????????

MUCHO REEF

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A topic of discussion. Would love to hear from each of you.

Has anyone noticed an annual growth spurt with their polyps at any given time of the year annually, monthly, quarterly etc ?

What about growth or expansion during a full moon?

What about during summer over winter months, or vice versa?

Any correlations at all with the above?


Mucho Reef
 
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Wow, great question. I haven't yet.... too new probably.

I did recently notice I got fuller, and what looks to me fluffier polyps when I cut back light on my grow out tank. I guess I was just pounding too much.... but now I've gone and gotten off topic.

great topic.
 
My zoas seemed to do better in the fall/winter (tank is only 18 months old, though). It seems they've reduced growth this spring. However, my tank doesn't get much natural light. But, average temps are probably up a degree or two (to around 80-82 as opposed to 78-80 in the winter). Maybe I should put the chiller down a few degrees and see what happens.
 
Mucho, I've never thought about it until now.

I'll be keeping a close eye on it and maybe in a couple months/weeks i'll have some more to say on it.

Again, great topic.
 
It might not be season related. I have a theory that once zoas reach a sort of 'critical mass' where there is no more space for them to grow, they will start to die back or detach from the rock they are on. I bought a frag of eagle eye once and the polyps were detaching. i had healthy looking polyps rolling around the tank, open, not attached to anything. I could not understand this but it was fun to have lots of single polyps to glue in stupid places like on my snails and hermits. I put the remaining ones inbetween some rocks where the current couldnt blow them away. for a couple months no new growth. Now they are actually growing again. purely speculation but food for thought.
 
I have often wondered about the effects of a truly realistic lighting cycle. For instance, gathering up weather data for the last, say, 10 years, as far as average hours of daylight for one of the regions that reef creatures are collected from, and run a program that will run your lights for that amount of time each day.

So if on May 29th on the great barrier reef, the average length of daylight is 10 hours, with 2 hours of dusk in morning and evening, then your lights would run that schedule. If on May 30th the average length is 11 hours with 2 hours of dusk, it would do that. Then, of course, expand this to moon cycles, or even collecting real-time data from the weather service and your lights would match the conditions out on the reef for the very same day.

It's always been my belief that this sort of system could be key in getting corals and fish to breed in captivity, as well as encourage much better growth.
 
slakker thats a very interesting idea you have there... assuming the data could be gathered for the interested areas i'd assume the software wouldnt be that difficult to make control the lights.

as far as my observations of my zoas i definetly notice a better growth rate in the fall and winter months and can only contribute it to the temp of the tank. I dont run a chiller and rely on a fan and evaporative cooling during the summer.. average about 83 degrees. winter months its about 80. Thats the only difference in my tank during winter vs summer
 
this site may be helpful for what you are talking about slakker.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/

It has more info on tides, wave heights and water temperatures, though. There is not much as far as how much light is getting to the coral. Maybe one of the buoys records visibility in and out of the water. *shrugs* at any rate maybe some tech genius can figure a way to run his vortech off these readings to replicate natural currents in his tank.
 
I know this about growth at certain times ect but..................


I wonder if theres a lodgic for zoa's slowing down???
Like fish have pheromoans (SP) That slow the fish growth down.
I wonder if zoa's or corals are the same or have the same type of reaction? We know they have a defense by chemical warfare but if theres also a chemical other corals pick up to sense that an area is already overgrown that fends them off or slows them down.
 
I just noticed since changing to more blues and reds on my lighting and not using 6500K/6500k whites I'm not getting fast growth as before. The colors look nicer ( ME THINKS ) but maybe its just me. I used to run 4 whites and 2 420/ 2 460 attinics then moved to no whites just attinics/reds and another color.. better looks on the SPS/LPS and zoas but growth on the zoa's seemed to have slowed.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12637650#post12637650 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by adunne
slakker thats a very interesting idea you have there... assuming the data could be gathered for the interested areas i'd assume the software wouldnt be that difficult to make control the lights.

It's never been software that has stumped me...I mean, I'm sure it would be difficult, but I've worked with a ton of programming languages and like to think I'm pretty good at figuring out how to make a computer do stuff. Far as I can tell it would pretty much just be a matter of switching different lights on and off for different conditions.

For instance, on my tank build I'll have my 175w halide and 2x39w T5 for supplementation. Ideally it would be 4x39w, 2xactinic 2x10k. Say we're simulating a Fiji reef, and the "data miner" program finds that it's overcast in Fiji on that particular day. The Halide's would never come on, and the T5's would (in my mind, at least partially) simulate an overcast sky (uniform, softer light, no point source, less intense). Maybe it's really cloudy and stormy, just the actinics come on, maybe one of the 10k or something.

I've also heard whispering on the wind about a ballast that is capable of running all sorts of algorithms to reproduce cloudy skies and thunderstorms and all sorts of other cool stuff. That would make it REALLY easy...program would basically have to consist of "Ballast; it's storming. Go."

Ever since I first became interested in the hobby this has been something I've dreamed of doing...All of those sensitive creatures that we keep capturing off of the reef, but can't get to breed...what if something like this is the answer? What if they need an accurate simulation of the photoperiods of their native environment?
To be honest I have no idea how to create the hardware end of things. Interfacing between the lights and computer is what I don't really understand. Guess I should get to know an electrical engineer or two :)
 
i would think this type of lighting would have to be accomplished with LED because of thier ability to simulate a very wide variety of color temps. I dont think its feasible with a halide/VHO setup.

non the less its a great idea- you invent it and i promise to consider buying it :)
 
PFO Lighting makes the Solaris LED; it has a controller to simulate "... Sunrise, Daylight, Cloud Cover, Sunset, and the lunar cycle..." Now tie that controller to real time weather data and you got it done.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12643917#post12643917 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by delsol650
I just noticed since changing to more blues and reds on my lighting and not using 6500K/6500k whites I'm not getting fast growth as before. The colors look nicer ( ME THINKS ) but maybe its just me. I used to run 4 whites and 2 420/ 2 460 attinics then moved to no whites just attinics/reds and another color.. better looks on the SPS/LPS and zoas but growth on the zoa's seemed to have slowed.

That would be related to light intesity and not really spectrum.
 
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