Gyre pump

I still need to try AA or BB configurations, see how that works. Would be good for alternate setting so you always get some flow in front and on the other side of the tank. I would imagine since time duration for alternate is same for forward and backward it wouldn't really matter if it's AA or BB, would only make difference for constant and pulse. Assuming of course that it can spin both ways at the same speed.
 
youtube or photobucket should be two easy places to upload video to.

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quick question to all involved....

I have been chasing random, chaotic flow in my tanks since I got into the hobby. All of a sudden a "gyre" is the goal? Is this a new discovery in reef keeping or the result of some great marketing?

The low profile of these pumps is very impressive and would suit my needs greatly but the "gyre" effect is something I have struggled to avoid for a while now.

I don't get it?
 
I would say keeping it at constant speed is not the best thing. But pulse or alternaate mode may be best. As far as gyre marketing, that comes from flow at the reef supposedly being one directional for the most part.
 
quick question to all involved....

I have been chasing random, chaotic flow in my tanks since I got into the hobby. All of a sudden a "gyre" is the goal? Is this a new discovery in reef keeping or the result of some great marketing?

The low profile of these pumps is very impressive and would suit my needs greatly but the "gyre" effect is something I have struggled to avoid for a while now.

I don't get it?
I don't think it really matters what you want. You can find plenty of people arguing both ideas on flow. All I know is when I have been diving the reefs I don't remember a whole lot of chaotic flow. I have done a bunch of drift dives with the current only going in one direction. Later in the day that direction has changed.

I have only been in this hobby for almost 4 years now and gyre flow was what I read about when I started but then quickly saw a bunch of people using reef crest on their vortechs. I think the bottom line is that no one really knows what is best for your tank. It doesn't make any logical sense to me to run the Gyre pump in a pulse mode for any length of time. It simply wasn't designed for that application even though it handles it fine. I like the idea of it flowing constant in one direction for a period of time and then reversing and flowing the other direction for a period of time. My MPs are handling all of the other type of flow.

Hands down this is the absolute best power head I have used with respect to moving a ton of water all the way across my 6' long tank. If you wanted to buy it rest assured it will move water like crazy and if you don't want a gyre then put it in pulse mode.

When the smaller one comes out I will get it for my frag tank. I have a wp40 in there now and it is a joke compared to the gyre.
 
Heard $250 not really sure on the size/wattage. If 150 model physically fits into your tank, might as well get it. Can always dial it down some, but you will still get a broader flow.

Anyways, time to go try out AA or BB configuration in alternate mode ! Will report findings in a few.
 
Has anyone heard what the price/sizing of the smaller version will be?
I believe the smaller one is going to be the 35W version. This was initially going to be the mid level pump but Maxspect decided to bump the mid to 50W and pushing the lower to 35. Around $250 is also what I heard.
 
No good on the AA/BB, you basically mess up the pump operation lol.

If you keep same AB flowcages and just change the paddles to AA or BB, matching paddle and cage will throw one strong current in at one rotation and two weak in the other rotation direction. If you mix a cage and a paddle (paddle A with cage B), then you get single weak stream and two strong streams (would imagine these two are half the strength of the single strong stream) depending on the rotation.

You can rotate cages a bit to adjust direction of the flow, but I really do not see a good way to set this up and at most you will end up with alternate mode when half of the pump actually pushing water while other one barely does anything. You also start sucking water in with the side that is strong in reverse mode as it pulls water from the top in the default orientation of the cages. So back to the 3-5 sec pulse mode for me at 70% :)

Here is an image of the flow. Blue arrow is what you usually get with matching paddle and cage at high flow, green arrows is the reverse/slow mode. Big black square is the big bar separation between the single output on the cage and the double ones of the bottom, that are split by a smaller bar. Flow comes out right at those bars.

flow.jpg



Final note, I had to reach for the spare cage/paddles to try this out, one of the paddles had a blade broken. So inspect yours make sure everything is in order. I will contact CoralVue will see how good the support will be :)
 
I don't think it really matters what you want. You can find plenty of people arguing both ideas on flow. All I know is when I have been diving the reefs I don't remember a whole lot of chaotic flow. I have done a bunch of drift dives with the current only going in one direction. Later in the day that direction has changed.

I have only been in this hobby for almost 4 years now and gyre flow was what I read about when I started but then quickly saw a bunch of people using reef crest on their vortechs. I think the bottom line is that no one really knows what is best for your tank. It doesn't make any logical sense to me to run the Gyre pump in a pulse mode for any length of time. It simply wasn't designed for that application even though it handles it fine. I like the idea of it flowing constant in one direction for a period of time and then reversing and flowing the other direction for a period of time. My MPs are handling all of the other type of flow.

Hands down this is the absolute best power head I have used with respect to moving a ton of water all the way across my 6' long tank. If you wanted to buy it rest assured it will move water like crazy and if you don't want a gyre then put it in pulse mode.

When the smaller one comes out I will get it for my frag tank. I have a wp40 in there now and it is a joke compared to the gyre.

No good on the AA/BB, you basically mess up the pump operation lol.

If you keep same AB flowcages and just change the paddles to AA or BB, matching paddle and cage will throw one strong current in at one rotation and two weak in the other rotation direction. If you mix a cage and a paddle (paddle A with cage B), then you get single weak stream and two strong streams (would imagine these two are half the strength of the single strong stream) depending on the rotation.

You can rotate cages a bit to adjust direction of the flow, but I really do not see a good way to set this up and at most you will end up with alternate mode when half of the pump actually pushing water while other one barely does anything. You also start sucking water in with the side that is strong in reverse mode as it pulls water from the top in the default orientation of the cages. So back to the 3-5 sec pulse mode for me at 70% :)

Here is an image of the flow. Blue arrow is what you usually get with matching paddle and cage at high flow, green arrows is the reverse/slow mode. Big black square is the big bar separation between the single output on the cage and the double ones of the bottom, that are split by a smaller bar. Flow comes out right at those bars.

flow.jpg



Final note, I had to reach for the spare cage/paddles to try this out, one of the paddles had a blade broken. So inspect yours make sure everything is in order. I will contact CoralVue will see how good the support will be :)

Michael and ED, I have great respect for you both as accomplished reefers. i am however not convinced that this new product is a viable solution to moving water.

As a solution I propose this test for the good of the local reefing community:

Ed, i will mount your unit on one end of my tank is regular mode,

Michael, I will mount yours on the opposite end of my tank and place it in pule mode.

I am willing to take the time to record my observations over a 12 month period and deduce whether or not these pumps are a worthwhile addition to our tanks.

As you both have recently added corals to your systems I ask that you clean both units well. I would hate to get my AEFW sick!
 
Michael and ED, I have great respect for you both as accomplished reefers. i am however not convinced that this new product is a viable solution to moving water.

As a solution I propose this test for the good of the local reefing community:

Ed, i will mount your unit on one end of my tank is regular mode,

Michael, I will mount yours on the opposite end of my tank and place it in pule mode.

I am willing to take the time to record my observations over a 12 month period and deduce whether or not these pumps are a worthwhile addition to our tanks.

As you both have recently added corals to your systems I ask that you clean both units well. I would hate to get my AEFW sick!
I am going to pass. :-). I love this pump so far.
 
Please excuse the newb question, but don't RW15s move a ton of water for about $80?

I have not seen Jebaos in person much so I can't compare the quality of the two. Gyre is not Tunze/Vortech, but it's pretty decent.

Flow wise, it is different type of flow, could probably replicate it with RWs, but would need like 4 of them in a row and even then since flow would be turbulent it would not be quite the same.

I mainly like that it provides wide flow with fairly small profile. It is strange that no one has done this before, we had tower fans with exactly same thing for years :)
 
Got my pump about 30 minutes ago.

Overall seems to be decently made, I would say B class components. Price around $150-200 would be better suited. Of course I do not really agree with Tunze or Vortech prices as well :)

One potential issue out of the box for some is a short cable from the pump to the controller. Did not measure it exactly, but I would say it is around 6 feet long. In my case I mount it on right side of 180g tank and have to run it full length of the tank and then down the left side to get into the sump. cord can barely make it to the other side, shy about 5". Obviously this is not a good place to plop a controller so will have to figure something else out. Either some sort of extension cord or drill a whole in the back of the stand so I could just run it straight down into the sump area.

As far as noise goes, I would say it is fairly loud above 60-70%. My tank is not super quite, but I can hear the hum coming from the powerhead fairly easy. Perhaps that will break in, however manual says that they come pre-broken in :) so will see about that. In either case, if you plan to run it at constant speed or in pulse/alternating mode with fairly large delta this should not be very bothersome for most people. With short pulses change in sound from off to on become rather noticeable and will likely upset most users.

Flow. It does move a fair amount of water, especially at higher speeds, but it breaks off around 4-5' mark. There is still movement all the way on the other end of 6' tank, but it is definitely much slower. I will leave two Tunze 6095s on that side for now. Pulsing mode seems potentially nice, although you lose a lot of flow here especially at lower deltas as water is pushed for a short amount of time and doesn't make that far, plus noise issue becomes more apparent. Alternate flow mode may be more useful with a better controller that could set individual intervals for forward and reverse modes. As it is, reverse mode is rather weak and blasts corals right under the pump, so at least in my setup it would not work. For now I'm just using constant flow with some variation provided by two tunzes on the opposite side.

Controller is pretty basic, but easy to use. Set up was straightforward. Press cycle button to switch between 4 modes (Constant, Pulse, Alternate, Feed). In each press settings button to change values, for modes with multiple settings pressing button again moves you to the next variable. Settings are however very basic. In constant mode you can select from one of the 10 or so speeds, In pulse you select speed and time (same time for on and off, so on 1 sec, off 0.5 sec is not possible), same in alternate mode. Not sure how feed mode works as far as going back to normal operation as of yet, but you have to cycle through the modes to get to it as it is not a separate button. Overall the controller should be ok for now, but Apex connection would definitely be welcome in the future.

Nice job on the review!! I'll just wait for gen 2
 
Michael and ED, I have great respect for you both as accomplished reefers. i am however not convinced that this new product is a viable solution to moving water.

As a solution I propose this test for the good of the local reefing community:

Ed, i will mount your unit on one end of my tank is regular mode,

Michael, I will mount yours on the opposite end of my tank and place it in pule mode.

I am willing to take the time to record my observations over a 12 month period and deduce whether or not these pumps are a worthwhile addition to our tanks.

As you both have recently added corals to your systems I ask that you clean both units well. I would hate to get my AEFW sick!

lmao Yeah Ed give him your pump lol
 
Well, i have to tell you I have been a china product lover for a while, but now I do appreciate more companies that put research and effort on the new products way more than clones with out any warranty, and if you say anything Ed, about my previews words on the subject, I will have to confiscate the Gyre to give it to Chris for testing
 
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