haddoni carpet help

[bluetang<3]

So i picked up a red haddoni carpet on friday night from the lfs. He was shipped from the Philippines and was in a box for 4 days. He is in a tank plumed int my sps display tank so i think the water quality should be good. I was told that they will invert them self for air exchange. It has been almost a week of this now and he seems to be shrivelling up more and more. I have a additional air stone aded to the tank to help promote oxygen in the tank altho with a big skimmer and a ton of water agitation i don't think i have an issue there. I have a vertex illumina led fixture over it dialled down to 60 % and a mp10 and plumbing from the return pump so i don't think flow is an issue. I hate to loose this carpet as it is the first time i have ever seen a red one. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The first morning he looked great, later that afternoon it turned into this. He fluctuates a lot looking better then worse. Has been expelling a ton of waste also. Clown fish was removed shortly after noticing he looked poor.

 

[bradleym]

Nobody? Ok well I'd start by verifying all the pertinent levels, just in case. Next, idk if this is an option but I'd just turn the light off for 24 hours and see what he does in the dark. If neither of these ideas lead you to a solution, you may just have a sick anemone on your hands. 4 days in shipping with no new water or air is a bad place for an anemone.

 

[bradleym]

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Good luck.

 

[bradleym]

ooh! Last point of interest - Looks to be a Haddoni, they like LOW flow. So if the flow is moving it at all turn it off or block it with rocks.

 

[celamb89]

Not an expert or anything but if your params are in check, it has low flow and not too much light. I dont think there is much more you can do :S... Just cross ur fingers and hope it makes it I guess...

I also read another thread about a nem that was treated with antibiotics of some sort. dont really really remember what kind but it was a strong one, also dont recall the problem that indicated the infection. Im just throwing out the idea since that other nem seemed to recover quite well after the treatment.

Good luck

 

[Toddrtrex]

Hate to say it, but in my experience with S. Haddonis, once they reach that state, it is too late.

celamb89 -- I read that thread too, and there is a chance (( just a guess on my part )) that the anti-biotics could help. However, they would require a prescription, don't think there is enough time.

 

[bluetang<3]

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Good luck.

Well i was doing some reading on other sites and they say to crank the lighting up as if he cannot eat their zooanthela is the only thing to keep them going. He is looking much better today. In my experiences with carpets i have 4 this is the first that has done it. A few people from other sites say this is normal for the first few weeks.

Tank Size 300gallons water volume
Setup Age
Temp
Salinity
Alkalinity
Ammonia
Nitrites
Nitrates
Phosphates

 

[bluetang<3]

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Good luck.

Well i was doing some reading on other sites and they say to crank the lighting up as if he cannot eat their zooanthela is the only thing to keep them going. He is looking much better today. In my experiences with carpets i have 4 this is the first that has done it. A few people from other sites say this is normal for the first few weeks.

Tank Size 300gallons water volume
Setup Age 2 years
Temp 78deg F
Salinity 1.025
Alkalinity 7dkh
Calcium 400
Magnesium 1400
Ammonia 0
Nitrites 0
Nitrates 0
Phosphates 0

Like i said the carpet is in a tank plumed into a very successful sps system don't think it would be any water issues but i just rechecked and there bang on. As for the flow i have the mp10 dialled way down so his oral disc is not moving.

As for him in the bag for 4 days that is why the lfs sent him home with me as they thought he would have best chance for survival here. I hope he makes it i will keep everyone posted. Thanks for the suggestions.

 

[Toddrtrex]

I would suggest against cranking the light up all the way -- just going to add to the stress that it is under.

You can have the lights at their full strength if you are shading the anemone. I have found that 3 layers of window screening (( b/t the tank and the lights )) works wonders, with removing a layer every 5-7 days.

 

[bluetang<3]

I never cranked the light up all the way yet the light is about 10 inches from the surface i took it from 20% up to 40 last night and he looks much better right now i go grab a picture

 

[bluetang<3]

Here is a picture from right now the mouth is opened a little but he is looking much happier. Was not to fond of adding the clowns but was told that would be a big help if they were not aggressive clowns.

 

[bradleym]

Looks much better! Glad to be wrong if he pulls through.

 

[bluetang<3]

I am sure hoping too he looks good durning the day now and at night swells up a bit but no where what he was. Fingers are crossed he cost me a few days pay.

 

[jeffreylesser]

Looks a lot better. From what I've read and from my experience some flow directed at the anemone is necessary when they are gaping, or deflating and inflating. There are several hypothesized reasons for this behavior.

1). Decaying food in the anemone's stomach
2). Decaying anemone (hypothesized to be potentially caused by #1)
3). Poor water parameters, and the anemone is attempting to purge itself of the water in it's body and acquire new water by re-inflating
4). Lack of oxygen

From the reef aquarium Volume 2: "When first placed in the aquarium, particularly after a long time in the shipping bag, it is common for anemones to open the mouth wide and partially evert the actinopharynx. This can be the symptom of the need for more oxygen, as the anemone may have been suffocating in the bag. It can also be the result of the anemone doing a water change in its body column. In any case, when an anemone has a wide open mouth it should NOT be placed in a quiet spot in the aquarium with no water movement."

Good luck

 

[bluetang<3]

thank you

 

[garygb]

Definitely looks much happier in that last pic. Best of luck with it. Keep us posted.

 

[BonsaiNut]

Also check out the thread "pedal laceration in gigantea".

I am becoming more and more convinced that when carpets anemones start this cycle of "expansion / contraction" when all tank parameters are good, that they may be suffering from bacterial infection. They always appear to be trying to "flush" something out of their system. Perhaps sometimes they are successful. Most times (in my experience) they are not. I am excited to hear about success stories using antibiotics with anemones that I would assume were well on their way to being dead critters.

 

[Toddrtrex]

Also check out the thread "pedal laceration in gigantea".

I am becoming more and more convinced that when carpets anemones start this cycle of "expansion / contraction" when all tank parameters are good, that they may be suffering from bacterial infection. They always appear to be trying to "flush" something out of their system. Perhaps sometimes they are successful. Most times (in my experience) they are not. I am excited to hear about success stories using antibiotics with anemones that I would assume were well on their way to being dead critters.

I believe that too --- even more so after my experiment with TM's Bio-active salt (( which is suppose to increase the bacteria )) -- I lost two already stressed Haddonis from that experiment, and they showed all these signs.

Now, the key is to find an accessible antibiotic.


EDIT -- didn't mean to put in that smiley face -- tabbed one too many times.

 

[bluetang<3]

Well i don't know if its a sign of the anemone recovering but he ate a clownfish today. Came home from school to find him munching back my one black perc.

 

[vegasr]

Curious to see if there is any updates with your Haddoni? Any recent pics you can post?