arioch
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I saw this linked a couple days ago and this looks really just :eek2::eek2::eek2: amazing--Grafted x millepora--it's a blue mille frag with pink, orange, and green swirls.
Has anyone seen this yet? Grafted millepora
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fcmatt
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Hm. Grey lettering on a black back ground for a website. brilliant. it made it so easy to read.
Writing on the picture right over the area of most interest. odd that.
The base of each coral shows growth on the plug but it appears they are just beginning
to touch. I cannot tell, via the picture, if they are touching each other at the tips of the
frags.
A few extra pics from a different angle would be interesting to see.
I am not skeptical.. i am just surprised that this good news is shown in such a poor way.
That blue frag does indeed, via the pic, show some coloration from the other frags.
I do not know much about grafting corals so this thread was interesting.
Writing on the picture right over the area of most interest. odd that.
The base of each coral shows growth on the plug but it appears they are just beginning
to touch. I cannot tell, via the picture, if they are touching each other at the tips of the
frags.
A few extra pics from a different angle would be interesting to see.
I am not skeptical.. i am just surprised that this good news is shown in such a poor way.
That blue frag does indeed, via the pic, show some coloration from the other frags.
I do not know much about grafting corals so this thread was interesting.
cwegescheide
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hmmm.. I've got several millis... Maybe an experiment is in order... 
+1 ...has to be the WORST site I've ever (almost) seen!
logan 12
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Um they need to show what they started with and what they have now. All that I see 3 millis on a frag plug. Now if they somehow sequences these and found them to be closely related and they do in fact grow into each other without killing one another that would be something to see. There has to be some serious science going on behind close doors to do something like this.
mnswreefer
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Very cool how they do it. We should give it try:beer:
i dont see it either
all I see is a phtoshopped andor way over saturated pic under blue light with three little different millis on it. Give me two minutes with lightroom and I could make any of my millies show a bunch of unreal colors.
a while back I epoxied a several inch hunk of encrustment from a blue milli next to a colony of ORA blue milli. they looked the same, I figured they would just connect and be fine. I wasnt paying attention and when I finally noticed it the ora had all but grown completely over the top of the other one. No death or even irritation on the one getting plowed over, but not even did they consider connecting with each other, much less "grafting"
Im certainly not saying it couldnt be done, as I dont know and grafting HAS been done, but that pic proves and shows nothing
now if it is just a horrible representatiion of them actually grafting it.....like everyone else...sign me up
all I see is a phtoshopped andor way over saturated pic under blue light with three little different millis on it. Give me two minutes with lightroom and I could make any of my millies show a bunch of unreal colors.
a while back I epoxied a several inch hunk of encrustment from a blue milli next to a colony of ORA blue milli. they looked the same, I figured they would just connect and be fine. I wasnt paying attention and when I finally noticed it the ora had all but grown completely over the top of the other one. No death or even irritation on the one getting plowed over, but not even did they consider connecting with each other, much less "grafting"
Im certainly not saying it couldnt be done, as I dont know and grafting HAS been done, but that pic proves and shows nothing
now if it is just a horrible representatiion of them actually grafting it.....like everyone else...sign me up
celebrityovernight
Member
I love the hype they're trying to stir up. Based on the picture, you'd think they didn't know what the word graft means. The corals are barely starting to grow into each other much less "graft"....like flyyyguy said, this was a poorly photoshopped or over saturated photo.
fcmatt
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just so others can see the montipora grafted pics
"What may be the first reported case of pigment grafting or fusing for a Montipora coral while being held within captivity. This plating and whorling Montipora capricornis coral is normally colored solid red/orange. The Grafted Montipora has had fluorescent green pigments grafted or fused onto its surface. These fluorescent green pigments slowly spread out into exotic patterns distributed across the surface of the coral. The Grafted Montipora coral was originally developed while being maintained with the aquariums of Sea World Orlando. We do not know if the grafting occurred from physical contact or through pigment migration. Sea World eventually offerred the unusual coral to Victor and Lou of World Wide Corals in Orlando. Victor and Lou recognized the green pigments as grafting pigments right away. Reeffarmers acquired a few fragments in late 2009. One of our fragments was in a tank that had some problems and that fragment completely lost its green and red fluorescing pigments. It turned dark brown. After recovering from this pigment loss, the coral eventually regained both its red and even regained its green fluorescent grafting. This more or less demonstrated to us that it was a true pigment grafting and the coral was not going to eventually lose that grafting over time. Steve Tyree is maintaining a seed section of this coral for Reeffarmers.com in an 85 gallon naturally filtered BiZonal system. This system is naturally filtered with a semi-cryptic zone and a reef flat exposed zone. In Steve's captive reef the coral is positioned to receive weak to moderate light levels from a 400 watt 20,000 K Radium metal halide."
"What may be the first reported case of pigment grafting or fusing for a Montipora coral while being held within captivity. This plating and whorling Montipora capricornis coral is normally colored solid red/orange. The Grafted Montipora has had fluorescent green pigments grafted or fused onto its surface. These fluorescent green pigments slowly spread out into exotic patterns distributed across the surface of the coral. The Grafted Montipora coral was originally developed while being maintained with the aquariums of Sea World Orlando. We do not know if the grafting occurred from physical contact or through pigment migration. Sea World eventually offerred the unusual coral to Victor and Lou of World Wide Corals in Orlando. Victor and Lou recognized the green pigments as grafting pigments right away. Reeffarmers acquired a few fragments in late 2009. One of our fragments was in a tank that had some problems and that fragment completely lost its green and red fluorescing pigments. It turned dark brown. After recovering from this pigment loss, the coral eventually regained both its red and even regained its green fluorescent grafting. This more or less demonstrated to us that it was a true pigment grafting and the coral was not going to eventually lose that grafting over time. Steve Tyree is maintaining a seed section of this coral for Reeffarmers.com in an 85 gallon naturally filtered BiZonal system. This system is naturally filtered with a semi-cryptic zone and a reef flat exposed zone. In Steve's captive reef the coral is positioned to receive weak to moderate light levels from a 400 watt 20,000 K Radium metal halide."
arioch
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I feel compelled to mention that when talking about coral grafting you cannot come to it expecting something like terrestrial plant grafting like apple branches. Coral is a microorganism that lives in a colony and happens to grow in specific forms and structures--so when you graft coral these microorganisms carrying their cellular structures with the different pigmentation cross over and grow together--but they still grow in the exact structure they would have otherwise had they not been grafted.
I can see why the guy would choose to do it with tiny frags as well--because with something like Garrett's Acropolis, the grafted A. simplex, only one spot on the whole original colony took on the new color so he had to do it from scratch anyway just to get a growth that would carry the new coloration through the entire structure.
In any case, I'm hoping this new mille strain takes off... because I'll be lining up for a shot at a frag as soon as they're available.
I can see why the guy would choose to do it with tiny frags as well--because with something like Garrett's Acropolis, the grafted A. simplex, only one spot on the whole original colony took on the new color so he had to do it from scratch anyway just to get a growth that would carry the new coloration through the entire structure.
In any case, I'm hoping this new mille strain takes off... because I'll be lining up for a shot at a frag as soon as they're available.
arioch
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Dude posted a new pic of a second grafted mille frag.
ingtar_shinowa
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over saturated or not id pick one up for 20 bucks
arioch
Member
So I took both pics, ran through adjustments for hue and saturation, and I can say one thing: if you seriously think the coralline algae on the back wall, the pink stylo in the right, and the purple/pink mille on the left are supposed to be in black and white, then by all means, continue thinking the grafted mille frag is fake.
With pics from exoticfrags, you can tell because like, the guy photographs frags and colonies as he's (sometimes a she, if you see the nail polish) holding them up and you can tell because his fingers are hot pink in the picture. Aquacon is also known for these shenanigans, and Diver's Den corals as well because eggcrate or aragonite substrate does not come in blue/purple.
But that coralline algae and the two colonies in the background of these pics seriously suggest that it's for real.
edit:
I notice the link to the second pic is under a "thumb" subdirectory, so I hunted up the original size of the 2nd pic:
http://www.madfragsonline.com/joomla/images/stories/graftedx millepora 1.jpg
With pics from exoticfrags, you can tell because like, the guy photographs frags and colonies as he's (sometimes a she, if you see the nail polish) holding them up and you can tell because his fingers are hot pink in the picture. Aquacon is also known for these shenanigans, and Diver's Den corals as well because eggcrate or aragonite substrate does not come in blue/purple.
But that coralline algae and the two colonies in the background of these pics seriously suggest that it's for real.
edit:
I notice the link to the second pic is under a "thumb" subdirectory, so I hunted up the original size of the 2nd pic:
http://www.madfragsonline.com/joomla/images/stories/graftedx millepora 1.jpg
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