Let's all take a deep breath and avoid posting things that would cause me to remove your ability to post.
I'm now subscribed to (babysitting) this thread.
Oh man, i didn't think anyone sounded heated at all.. Context is a hell of a thing in text form, but I feel where you're coming from.
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And to hairalgae85
Again, not one possibility that could have explained what happen. All cliche rhetoric that those who feel empowered use to.make themselves appear better.
Isn't that exactly what name dropping is doing? Trying to quote people who may or may not exist in the hopes of making yourself appear correct? Nobody here is trying to fight with you, if my message came off that way I completely apologize -- I'm a very direct and to the point person, and wasting time dancing around the bush never helped anyone with anything.
The frag guys, know more on hand than most do here together. Mind you, many of them grow out wild.pieces, vs, the majority of people here have been at itnless than two years.
Implying people here *don't* grow out wild pieces? I was growing out wild pieces literally the moment I started keeping in a nano with zero issues. The piece being wild, captive, or mariculture makes absolutely no difference. Furthermore, this is very off topic, were talking about fish and acclimation.
Again vet has far more credibility in my opinion with biology and chemistry than the avg member here who sits behind a desk selling insurance someone doesn't need. Sorry, I rather have any type of doctor operate on me, vs someone who watches general hospital or house.
That's a false equivocation. There are many well educated reefers who happen to work in non-biological / chemical fields. And on the other hand, there are plenty of doctors, vets, even astrophysicist's who have had some monumental blunders.
The point of this forum is the free exchange of ideas and information. The hive-mind here is that everyone may have valuable knowledge that others may not. You can absolutely be reefing for many years, and meet someone with less than a years experience who teaches you a thing or two.
Again, you're downplaying all that help that was offered. Citing that we're uneducated in biology, that we don't have the experience in the hobby, and that were incapable of keeping wild corals alive.
Lastly, the damn instructions from live aquaria state "pour contents in bucket, drip, release" they own the company, the gaurantee the fish, those should be what is used if anyone intenda in using the money back guarantee.
And yet following that advice, you ended up here saying:
We tried to help, but you would have none of it. Notice how immediately you were the one who became antagonistic towards members here who had good intentions?
Look into the Divers Den thread, this same company that gave you these instructions was packing marine bettas with cold packs during winter. One member here had 4 DOA Marine Bettas..
They say this because that's the old method. It's what people have done for a long time.. But as times change so do techniques, husbandry, understanding of the biotope, and a ton of other things.
I started this hobby when I was a kid in middle school -- Back then, the knowledge we had vs after I came back form a long break was astounding. The drip acclimation method has been around probably 20 years longer than I have... And typically, most fish are hardy enough to handle it.
Additionally, as we've said many, many times over... We assumed that you, like most people, used the same water as you didn't specify that you changed it in your initial post.
What you really did, is VERY different than what it sounded like you had done in your original post. Removing the fish and placing it into identical and clean water
THEN drip acclimating, is absolutely a different story. That is why we were mentioning Ammonia, because most people mistakenly drip acclimate using the same near-poisonous water the fish has been shipped in.
And lastly, I have 6 PMS, yes 6, from this thread alone, telling me to ignore the people who.insists you can't drip.
I'll leave it at that.
I just want to point out: You might have just had 6 insurance salesman tell you that what you did was perfectly fine.
knowing what you did versus what it
sounded like you did makes a big difference. BIG, difference. Removing the fish into clean matching water, then drip acclimating from there is still a little rushed, but 100x more reasonable than what it sounded like you said initially. I personally like to let fish take a day off as shipping is super stressful.
Hopefully I clarified where I'm coming from. We are definitely here to help.. But I hope you understand that your initial post sounded like a fish death camp. Including a 2 hour freshwater dip, which immediately had anyone who read your thread starting here ---> :facepalm:
