help on plumbing

shawna1972

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As most of you know im running a 180 gallon. How do I know what my overflow gph is? And what size plumbing should I have ( origionally) gone with?
Im pretty sure my return is 3/4" and return is 1" I have such crappy flow with the way it is now? Oh and I have 5 foot head ( right under tank).

Plumbing is going to be moved about 4 feet away from tank this time and less and about 2 feet head? Sooooo confused! Hate plumbing lol:hammer:
 
What brand tank is it? What overflows do you have?

Typical All-Glass/Oceanic Megaflow overflows are rated at 600GPH each.
 
I'm on my phone, will elaborate tomorrow. The size of the pipe from your pump is cruacial, the sides drag on the water. Going to a larger diameter will make a HUGE difference. This applies even if you have to expand to fit the pipe and reduce down at the tank. Go to the main rc page under calculators and check out the head loss calculator.

Off the top off my head I would say no less that 1-1/4 preferably 1-1/2

Spaflex attaches exactly the same way hard PVC does. You can cut with special shears or saw (never tried). Sparks has more drag on the edges from the ridges, however it will let you flex into place without hard fitting which also slow down the water.

Since you have the 1-1/2" spaflex I would use that.

If you get too much flow from that upgrade order a gate valve from BRS, the economy is fine.

I always have to fit this in- never hurts to put an overflow protect float switch in wired to controller in case your overflows get clogged or overwhelmed. I have high and low wired together. The low protects the pump if the ato fails
 
Shawna,

Does your 180 have one corner overflow, or two? This will make a difference. Need more info here.

Regardless, if it is in fact a tank with a corner overflow built in from the factory, it will (more than likely) have one inch drain hole(s). All perfecto and all glass tanks come standard with 1" drains.

A one inch drain hole in the bottom of a tank is capable of draining 800gph. The manufacturers like to cover their butts and tell you it is rated at 700, or possibly even 600 as cully has mentioned.

With that being said, if you have two corner overflow boxes, your tank is capable of draining 1600gph max. This is not taking into account any elbows or head pressure built up in the drain lines going to the sump. Lets be safe and go with what the manufacturers recommend and say you are only capable of draining 1400gph. (Again - this is true if you have two corner overflows, 700gph if you only have one.)

Tailor your return pump to that number, and take into account all the elbows and head pressure losses in the return(s). You say you only have 5 foot of head, but each 90 degree elbow used accounts for 2 feet of head.. and you have to use at least two if you have two returns. Also, if you "T" the mag 18 to two returns then you are doubling whatever head pressure you think you may have. I would like to hear some more info to confirm this. There is a head pressure calculator on the RC main page. Here is a link.

http://reefcentral.com/index.php/head-loss-calculator

If you are already maxed out on return pump and your drains cannot handle any more flow (which is probably not the case) then just add some power heads for more flow in the display.

Hope this helps.
 
A mag 18 uses 3/4" inlet and outlet.


Right! So does this mean I have to stick with 3/4?

Also I have 2 corner overflows and where the new sump location is it will sit about a foot below the the returns so about 12" head loss - elbows ect which ill be using 2 on rack return :)

So if I go 1-1/2 on pump returns, should I keep overflow returns at 1-1/2" also?
 
No, you don't have to use 3/4" on the pump side, and I would probably go to 1" like Jeff said. The issue you're going to have (and it's the same one I have) is the 12" drop between the overflow and the sump. Even with 1-1/2" pipe, it will limit your flow somewhat.

I wouldn't go 1-1/2" on the pump side, the flow increase over 1" is pretty negligible and you'll probably be limited by your overflows anyways.
 
if I were you I would increase to 1.5 as 1 inch has a tendency to clog with snails etc not to mention it wont be as loud
 
In order to maintain a "reasonable" amount (or "control" the amount) of flow we need to give it some "breathing" room...

As the line gets bigger...the more "flow" can go through...(within reason)...

So a Mag 12 - 4' head with 3-90* elbows will "deliver" ...

761 gph with 3/4" line...

942 gph with 1" line...

1037 gph with 1 1/4" line...and

1061 gph with 1 1/2" line...

You can see there's not much gain going to 1 1/2" line but there is a gain in flow from 3/4" to 1" and 1" to 1 1/4"...

That's just for this pump... and other makes and models will be more effective at other varining sized lines...
 
My opinion only. :)

I would agree with using 1.5" for the drain lines for exactly the reasons mentioned. Some may think a snail would clog at the drilled 1" hole in the tank anyways so no use going bigger on PVC. Unfortunately sometimes they slip through at certain angles and end up getting caught up after a tumble or two if the drain lines aren't big enough.

For the return plumbing I'd go with 1" mainly because it will involve less adapter fittings connecting to your pump and I'm guessing just as with the Mag 12 info Greg posted above, there's probably not a huge flow increase stepping up to 1.25" with the Mag 18.
 
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