jackson6745
Yeah Yeah
I am not impressed at all with the H+S 150. I don't understand the point of having a tall skimmer only half filled with bubbles??? They might as well shorten the skimmer so at least it packs more of a punch for its size.
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7188898#post7188898 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Leopardshark
Take a look at this:
This is my aquac ev400 with a panworld 150.
This skimmer really takes out a lot of junk everyday.
IMHO it makes no difference in investing 1500 bucks in a "top of the art" skimmer than $480 in a very reliable and good skimmer, if they all work with the same principle and both takes about 1 cup of skimmate everyday, it wonÃ"šÃ‚´t matter if your skimmer is $500-1500 bucks.
JMHO
I agree with Leopardshark 110%. I get ultra-high performance out of my Aqua C EV-240 with Iwaki MD40 pump. I am also adding a Aqua C EV-180 soon for another system as well. For the price, the EV series is very hard to beat. And if something goes wrong or you need assistance, the President of the company, Jason Kim, will personally help you.
Wiskey
New member
I think so, but I have never used a Barr, I think it will skimm circles around a NW, but we all know how I feel about them
FWIR raising the beketts up above the water line in the skimmer helps alot because it removes backpressure off the bekett. Also removing those 90's on your injectors will also help because if you loop the hose up and around you have less backpressure from removing the 90's, plus you are going straight into the bekett, rather than kinda sloshing around a corner and comming in weird. These are two upgrades I will make to mine as soon as I find the time.
HTH,
Whiskey
JerseyReef
Premium Member
Most likely a Iwaki-100 or higher type of pump.
JerseyReef
Premium Member
What makes you say this? Experience, first hand knowledge or a gut feeling? Just curious...
Travis
10 and over club
This thread has got me interested in the Barr. So far all we've got is anecdotal evidence but that is about all we can get anyways.
I admit I haven't spent much time looking into the Barr becketts since I will probably never run a beckett skimmer again but I would like to learn a little about them. I checked the website and it has pretty much 0 info on the skimmers. The only difference I can see visually from the pic on the website is that this skimmer comes with a carbon filter for air, dwyer air flow meters, and clear tube from the injectors to the body. These are all options that could be added to any beckett. AFAIK, there is only one type of beckett injector, the 1048. So I'm just wondering what is on the Barr that makes it so much better than other beckett skimmers.
I admit I haven't spent much time looking into the Barr becketts since I will probably never run a beckett skimmer again but I would like to learn a little about them. I checked the website and it has pretty much 0 info on the skimmers. The only difference I can see visually from the pic on the website is that this skimmer comes with a carbon filter for air, dwyer air flow meters, and clear tube from the injectors to the body. These are all options that could be added to any beckett. AFAIK, there is only one type of beckett injector, the 1048. So I'm just wondering what is on the Barr that makes it so much better than other beckett skimmers.
sidewinder770
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There are a few other differences- the "box" on the Barr skimmer is much different- it uses and enclosed internal box that routes air up a smaller middle chamber inside the main chamber that has a bubble diffusion plate on it which forces the water/air from the injectors up the center of the main chamber- kind of like how NW bubble diffusers work. In most other ways it is a lot like other beckett injectors. It does come with built in ozone ports, co2 effluent ports, twist lock flanges, things like that which are nice but don't really add to the effectiveness of the skimmer itself.
Travis
10 and over club
Can anyone that owns a Barr post a pic of the diffuser the next time they turn it off for cleaning? That could be the one thing that is really setting it apart from the other becketts. IME, the becketts that I ran were just too turbulent. The bubbles in the neck were all over the place going up and down and side to side. I think this greatly decreases skimming efficiency. I have a feeling the diffuser in the Barr probably makes a pretty big difference.
sidewinder770
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I can try to get a better close-up of the inside when I have it down for cleaning but I probably won't do that for several more weeks. I do have this one which at least shows the diffuser plate. The main chamber is 6" and the diffuser plate is 4" on top and about 3/4" below the top of the box it goes to 5" and attaches to the lower "box" inside the main box. The lower box is just to transfer the water/air from the injectors to the bubble plate without coming in contact with the rest of the water in the main box. Hope that makes sense- kind of hard to explain.
Travis
10 and over club
Thanks sidewinder. That is a very nice design. It really makes me think twice about beckett skimmers. The only thing that will keep me from running one again would be the electricity/heat. But if I ever do it will be a Barr for sure. Nice design not to mention all of the add-ons that come standard. And the twist locks too... oh my.
The days of the annoying thumb screw flanges might finally be coming to an end.
The days of the annoying thumb screw flanges might finally be coming to an end.
Fliger
New member
Travis, I've seen a lot of Becketts but I've only seen one Barr so I dunno about the entire line. When I do build a larger system, its kind of a toss up for me. I would only consider a Beckett for a large system, and I would pretty much just order the same thing as Scott has. Somehow I do think I'd end up with either a BK or big custom H&S though (like that 18 foot TOTM!), I'm probably 55%/45%. I just find them super easy to control. For a system under ~250 though I'd for sure stick with a NW.
Scott you "almost" missed a comeback. Tracy hit a mammoth HR. Good seats, eh?!
Scott you "almost" missed a comeback. Tracy hit a mammoth HR. Good seats, eh?!
kimoyo
Active member
Respectfully, no.
Brent seems to be a nice guy and I don't like the idea of helping people copy his skimmer. I don't see that as furthering the hobby but just taking credit/money away from someone who worked hard to come up with a unique design. Very similar to the way I don't like how euroreef brought a deltec and seems to have just copied their design. I hope this doesn't come off rude and you understand.
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Interesting discussion guys. I ordered a Barr about a year and a half ago and unfortunately the wait just ended up being too long
( a few months) so I purchased an MR2. I have been happy with the skimmer(with a couple of mods) and haven't had a problem getting good production out of it after a few weeks spent learning how to use it. Very interested to see how the new skimmer works for you Jackson. Like everyone else here I tend to suffer from "the grass is allways greener" syndrome when thinking about getting another skimmer. I actually had friend who is an H and S dealer over a while back and was asking him about skimmers and he said "why do you want a new skimmer?". I said "well I don't really know, I just thought it would make my life a little easier having a nice large needlewheel". His response was basically that my MR2 worked great and I was getting great results so he really didn't see any point in me spending > $1000 for a new skimmer when I allready knew how to use the one I had.....he was right Sometimes you have to look at it through someone elses eyes and see that you just want a new toy. If you just want a new toy that's great but the point about most of us allready overskimming our tanks and upgrades bringing virtually no improvement in actual results is a good one
JMO, Chris
( a few months) so I purchased an MR2. I have been happy with the skimmer(with a couple of mods) and haven't had a problem getting good production out of it after a few weeks spent learning how to use it. Very interested to see how the new skimmer works for you Jackson. Like everyone else here I tend to suffer from "the grass is allways greener" syndrome when thinking about getting another skimmer. I actually had friend who is an H and S dealer over a while back and was asking him about skimmers and he said "why do you want a new skimmer?". I said "well I don't really know, I just thought it would make my life a little easier having a nice large needlewheel". His response was basically that my MR2 worked great and I was getting great results so he really didn't see any point in me spending > $1000 for a new skimmer when I allready knew how to use the one I had.....he was right Sometimes you have to look at it through someone elses eyes and see that you just want a new toy. If you just want a new toy that's great but the point about most of us allready overskimming our tanks and upgrades bringing virtually no improvement in actual results is a good oneJMO, Chris
jackson6745
Yeah Yeah
Chris, the only reason why I'm changing from my MR-2 to a DAS is because it runs on 1/3 less electricity and a lot less pump heat(less noise also). I am extremely happy with the performance of the MR-2 but it is a PITA since the tank is in my faimly room. The best thing about the DAS, besides the deltec-like performance, i the reasonable price I'm looking forward to a quiet, energy efficient tank.
I'm looking forward to a quiet, energy efficient tank.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7223653#post7223653 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jackson6745
Chris, the only reason why I'm changing from my MR-2 to a DAS is because it runs on 1/3 less electricity and a lot less pump heat(less noise also). I am extremely happy with the performance of the MR-2 but it is a PITA since the tank is in my faimly room. The best thing about the DAS, besides the deltec-like performance, i the reasonable price
Please post with your comments after you have a chance to play with it. The DAS is very intriguing for the reasons you mentioned.....I was looking at Deltec, H and S and Geo, all great skimmers IMO from all the research I did. Still might get a new toy sometime down the line for the fun of it but I'm trying to resist the urge:lol:
Sometimes the voice of reason gets lost
Chris
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