High Performance Skimmer for SPS

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7221872#post7221872 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kimoyo
Respectfully, no.

Brent seems to be a nice guy and I don't like the idea of helping people copy his skimmer. I don't see that as furthering the hobby but just taking credit/money away from someone who worked hard to come up with a unique design. Very similar to the way I don't like how euroreef brought a deltec and seems to have just copied their design. I hope this doesn't come off rude and you understand.

The way I see it, the people who really work hard to come up with unique designs usually apply for patent rights to protect themselves in the first place (i.e., the creator of an invention filed in the US Patent office has the sole right to make, use, and sell that invention for a set period of time).
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7218545#post7218545 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Wiskey
I think so, but I have never used a Barr, I think it will skimm circles around a NW, but we all know how I feel about them ;)

FWIR raising the beketts up above the water line in the skimmer helps alot because it removes backpressure off the bekett. Also removing those 90's on your injectors will also help because if you loop the hose up and around you have less backpressure from removing the 90's, plus you are going straight into the bekett, rather than kinda sloshing around a corner and comming in weird. These are two upgrades I will make to mine as soon as I find the time.

HTH,
Whiskey

Whiskey - Thanks for the input. Removing the 90's should be rather easy. You also suggested that the Beckett's should be above the water level in the skimmer? How would I do that or did you mean the skimmer should be above the pumped water level, i.e., the sump?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7221872#post7221872 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kimoyo
Respectfully, no.

Brent seems to be a nice guy and I don't like the idea of helping people copy his skimmer. I don't see that as furthering the hobby but just taking credit/money away from someone who worked hard to come up with a unique design. Very similar to the way I don't like how euroreef brought a deltec and seems to have just copied their design. I hope this doesn't come off rude and you understand.

Did Royal Exclusiv copy the diffuser idea from Brent? I'm guessing not. If Brent copied the design from Royal Exclusiv then I don't see why there is any problem with anyone else implementing the design on their skimmers. Granted, the diffuser on the beckett is not going to be the exact same thing as the diffuser on a BK NW, it is still the same principle that was copied.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7225838#post7225838 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Travis
Did Royal Exclusiv copy the diffuser idea from Brent? I'm guessing not. If Brent copied the design from Royal Exclusiv then I don't see why there is any problem with anyone else implementing the design on their skimmers. Granted, the diffuser on the beckett is not going to be the exact same thing as the diffuser on a BK NW, it is still the same principle that was copied.

Is there really a point in continuing this?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7225022#post7225022 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JerseyReef
Whiskey - Thanks for the input. Removing the 90's should be rather easy. You also suggested that the Beckett's should be above the water level in the skimmer? How would I do that or did you mean the skimmer should be above the pumped water level, i.e., the sump?

It looks like yours already are, MRC skimmers have the bekett injector right on the box, then you run the water level 5 inches above that in the skimmer body it creates backpressure.

It is also important to run the skimmer so the drain is above the water level in the sump for constancy. A proper way to drain this skimmer is very important, I have the gate going right to a T that runs flat (syphon break) then into a 45 down so it drains fast and constant.

Ill see if I can grab a pic.

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See how I have a 90 comming into my injector, and my bekett is right on my box? That is something I mean to fix very soon.

Whiskey
 
I consider my MR2 a high performance SPS skimmer but I don't know if I could recommend one to someone who doesn't have the room to run one right.

I see lots of people who say that they constantly have to tweak their Becket skimmers, that is because they are not set up right. If your Becket overflows or isn't consistent after the first month, chances are it is not set up right or you are not using it right!

These type of bubbles fill the entire upper riser and march up to the top in a uniform fashion, it is solid foam.

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Also I feel that your skimmer is only as good as your flow and your sump design. If you set up your sump "correctly", your wet skimming becket skimmer should get most particles that pass it.

Here is a picture of my sump 4 months after the last cleaning. Keep in mind that my tank is a BB and high flow (not much settles in tank.) This picture should give you an idea of how well my skimmer, sump, and flow plan works.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=819050

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I see that MRC now makes a Recirc Beckett. Looks like a Pan World being used in the pics. It is obviously not a NW pump, unless there is a NW for that pump that I am unaware of.

Is this the best of both worlds, or just an attempt to garner new customers that are on the fence about recirculating vs Beckett?

Has anyone seen these in action to comment? If the pump is not a NW (as I expect), then would say a Sedra 5000/9000 NW pump be a better option?

MRC suggests a pump double the size of the system is adequate to feed the beckett, however it seems to me that becketts do better with a pressure rated pump above 1000gph (depending of course on the model and number of beckett injectors). If you are not pushing the beckett to it's limits, is it really performing to it's capacity?

I know these are lots of questions, but I am about to make a big upgrade and need to have all of the equipment finalized for proper planning of placement. Don't want to look back with regrets and not be able to do anything about it after the fact.
 
I know that I had to choose between a large beckett and a large NW.

Someone was selling their large H&S skimmer and I was fortunate enough to jump on it. It produces skimmate like nothing else.

A beckett was too loud and the huge pressure-rated pump would have killed me electricity-wise here on Long Island.
 
I was using Iwaki 100R5 (385 watts) to drive the Aerofoamer 848 but now BK 300 with a 58W Red Dragon pump; cost of power consumption is a major concern here (not even mentioned the heat)!!


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7191735#post7191735 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RichConley
You bring up electricity as a concern, and a reason for the BK, but you'll NEVER make up the initial purchase cost in electricity. Its a non issue.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7310841#post7310841 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tack-msv
I see that MRC now makes a Recirc Beckett. Looks like a Pan World being used in the pics. It is obviously not a NW pump, unless there is a NW for that pump that I am unaware of.

Is this the best of both worlds, or just an attempt to garner new customers that are on the fence about recirculating vs Beckett?

Has anyone seen these in action to comment? If the pump is not a NW (as I expect), then would say a Sedra 5000/9000 NW pump be a better option?

MRC suggests a pump double the size of the system is adequate to feed the beckett, however it seems to me that becketts do better with a pressure rated pump above 1000gph (depending of course on the model and number of beckett injectors). If you are not pushing the beckett to it's limits, is it really performing to it's capacity?

I know these are lots of questions, but I am about to make a big upgrade and need to have all of the equipment finalized for proper planning of placement. Don't want to look back with regrets and not be able to do anything about it after the fact.

Did you get your questions answered?
 
I have a MR-2R (Recirculating) and am very happy with it. I think the Recirculating model becketts with the increased contact time are great skimmers.

JMO

Brandon
 
Actually I figured out how the skimmer functions. The pump I was questioning feeds the beckett injector and the pump that is double the size of the system feeds the skimmer body. I guess I was spacing out and not recognizing the obvious. I believe that I am going with just a plain Recirc NW skimmer (ASM). The beckett I currently have is just more maintenance intensive than the ASM a few reefers in the area use. I don't like the material used in the ASM, but the performance vs cost vs maintenance is hard to argue with.
 
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