Home-made fish food.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12722097#post12722097 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Chibils

So for gel-binding it, I just need to add gelatin? How much? How would I prepare it?
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I was also going to ask this.
Also, can you freeze it after you have made it
 
I am not at liberty to give out the recipe that was given to me as it will be produced and sold in the near future. I will give a general idea later when I find the recipe. Tim
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12724566#post12724566 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by myerst2
I am not at liberty to give out the recipe that was given to me as it will be produced and sold in the near future. I will give a general idea later when I find the recipe. Tim
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Am not interested in the recipe. Just directions for the gelatine.
 
If you use about 200 grams of feed and use other supplements, you would use 2 grams of yeast, 30 grams of unflavored gelatin ( Knox brand). and about 180 ml of water. There is a certain way the ingredients are added, and in what proportion, at a certain time. I don't think it would be unfair to give this information without getting consent from the person who gave it to me. I will certainly ask him. I would love to give this recipe to everyone. It is an amazing way to feed fish and don't understand why it isn't mass produced already. You chill it as you would jell-o and then you can freeze it afterwards. After taking it out of the freezer it takes no time to de-thaw. I used ice cube trays to make the food in and it is amazing. Matt hopefully this answers your question. If you have any more questions about it or anyone else for that matter PM me and will try and help you out as much as i can w/o stepping on my friends feet. Regards, Tim
 
Yes ocean nutrition uses this idea, but I would hardly call it nutritious when compared to the home-made formula. Look at the ingredients of Ocean Nutrition and they have a bunch of crap that you don't even know what it is. Tim
 
Has anyone tried the algae wafers that are commonly given to freshwater herbivores? I recently looked at a package and it says that it is good for marine fish as well.
 
You can pretty much emit most of the flesh in that recipe and just use scallop
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I disagree with this. When you feed scallop, you are just feeding the scallop muscle which has very little variety of nutrition.
Silversides are much better as long as you feed the entire fish, muscle, bone, intestines, liver and everything else. The calcium is in the bones, and vitamin a and d is in the liver. Everything else is in the guts. In the sea, fish eat fish. Not scallop muscles, but entire fish, this is what comprises almost all of a fishes diet and should be fed in captivity.
Also don't put it in a blender which will give you a goey mess where almost all of the valuable nutrition will be lost when it defrosts in the tank. Just chop it into bite sized pieces.
Shrimp also is not as good as whole fish. They have no bones and their shell is undigestible.
Clams are also good because you are feeding the entire animal.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12737711#post12737711 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Paul B
I disagree with this. When you feed scallop, you are just feeding the scallop muscle which has very little variety of nutrition.
Silversides are much better as long as you feed the entire fish, muscle, bone, intestines, liver and everything else. The calcium is in the bones, and vitamin a and d is in the liver. Everything else is in the guts. In the sea, fish eat fish. Not scallop muscles, but entire fish, this is what comprises almost all of a fishes diet and should be fed in captivity.
Also don't put it in a blender which will give you a goey mess where almost all of the valuable nutrition will be lost when it defrosts in the tank. Just chop it into bite sized pieces.
Shrimp also is not as good as whole fish. They have no bones and their shell is undigestible.
Clams are also good because you are feeding the entire animal.
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I find it very difficult to understand how anybody can consider how anyone can think that silverside is a nutritious food for any fish or anemone. Other than the recognition of calcium within the bones, they are over frozen, have unregulated storage and mass (cheap) production of any 'fish only' food will not find it's way into my DT.
I have looked for the study on proteins of consumable fish products readily available and, unfortunately, cannot find it. However, it reads very clearly that the maximum nutritious benefit to the consuming is (fresh) scallop. oysters and clams. I wish I had it to show you all. It was on RC if anyone can link it.
I have never fed silversides to fish or nem and all is good in the reef.
So....give me scallops and clams over silversides any day.
 
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I agree 100% with you BangkokMatt.
I avoid silversides not only because there are many other meaty foods that are much more nutritious but I also avoid them because they are known to cause all kinds of bacterial problems.
 
I find it very difficult to understand how anybody can consider how anyone can think that silverside is a nutritious food for any fish or anemone. Other than the recognition of calcium within the bones, they are over frozen, have unregulated storage and mass (cheap) production of any 'fish only' food will not find it's way into my DT.
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I love the first sentence. As for (salt water) silversides, I collect them my self live from the sea. I did say clams are another good food as would be whole mussel or oyster. Whole scallop would also be good but the scallop you buy are just the mussle not the organs.
As I said, reef fish eat whole fish. In the 40 years I have been diving I have never seen a fish pry open a scallop to eat it.
I don't know what you mean by unregulated storage and mass cheap production. All frozen fish foods have un regulated storage. They are also cheap, OK. They are cheap.
You may have read that scallop is a great food but if you read that it is better than whole fish the author is wrong and you could tell him I said so. I write my own material and do my own research.
Have a great day.
Paul
 
I have never heard of there being bacterial problems with silverslides. Really? I've been feeding this in my mixture...

About gel-based foods...I attended a lecture about fish nutrition (Lee Birch) and he recommended using the seaweed-based gel binder rather than land-based gelatin. It's called "agar-agar."

here is some info.

http://www.foodsubs.com/ThickenGelatins.html
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12740513#post12740513 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Paul B
I love the first sentence. As for (salt water) silversides, I collect them my self live from the sea. I did say clams are another good food as would be whole mussel or oyster. Whole scallop would also be good but the scallop you buy are just the mussle not the organs.
As I said, reef fish eat whole fish. In the 40 years I have been diving I have never seen a fish pry open a scallop to eat it.
I don't know what you mean by unregulated storage and mass cheap production. All frozen fish foods have un regulated storage. They are also cheap, OK. They are cheap.
You may have read that scallop is a great food but if you read that it is better than whole fish the author is wrong and you could tell him I said so. I write my own material and do my own research.
Have a great day.
Paul
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Firstly, I have to agree, my sentence construction was poor in the first sentence. Thanks for pointing that out. It should have read "I find it very difficult to understand how anybody can consider silverside's a nutritious food for any fish or anemone".
By "unregulated storage", I am referring to the lack of 'sell by' / 'production dates' on silverside packaging. If you buy them frozen you have no idea how old they are. Also LFS owners may not maintain the fish as frozen. For all the purchaser knows the packet may have been defrosted and refrozen several times. All frozen foods do not have unregulated storage. There are many regulations in place for foods aimed at human consumption.
The fact that you 'write your own material and do your own research' is very commendable. I also do my own research but I still have a great deal to learn in this hobby and I always will. Knowledge and advice given by others will be readily accepted by me if I believe it to be sound.
I hope the grammars ok in this one;)
 
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