How hot is too hot?

[Allmost]

Sana and MCCOOL , thank you both for not taking my question as an attack I really am not saying you are wrong but want to understand.

for me, I always "thought" that temp had alot to do with it., and got that Idea from the fishes, the more stable I keep temp for fish, the happier they seemed to me so I thought that's a rule, and from your words, I see that other way is possible as well, and I should have saved the effort and money I spend to keep the temp stable (finally after 2 months, I turned the AC off last night after this and had a GOOD sleep without the noise and the cold of A/C lol ) temp went up to 81.5, everything looked the same so ... . ( I cant let it get hotter cause of my seahorses though.)


I'm glad RC continues to teach me new things daily I have been a long long time reader and recently joined in. and Id like to apologize to everyone specially those who i have offended with my words :S specially since other thread is closed and I cant apologize there.

will make the GF bring her camera over this weekend so I can take some pics and post them

 

[sanababit]

Sana and MCCOOL , thank you both for not taking my question as an attack I really am not saying you are wrong but want to understand.

for me, I always "thought" that temp had alot to do with it., and got that Idea from the fishes, the more stable I keep temp for fish, the happier they seemed to me so I thought that's a rule, and from your words, I see that other way is possible as well, and I should have saved the effort and money I spend to keep the temp stable (finally after 2 months, I turned the AC off last night after this and had a GOOD sleep without the noise and the cold of A/C lol ) temp went up to 81.5, everything looked the same so ... . ( I cant let it get hotter cause of my seahorses though.)


I'm glad RC continues to teach me new things daily I have been a long long time reader and recently joined in. and Id like to apologize to everyone specially those who i have offended with my words :S specially since other thread is closed and I cant apologize there.

will make the GF bring her camera over this weekend so I can take some pics and post them

Hi allmost, reading your post made me understand that we are all human, so i am sorry if i came arrogant towards you, about your tank temp, go easy on it, if it has been stable for a long time, let it adapt to small swings first, i really don't want anything to happen to your animals, good luck

Sana

 

[Thairun]

Winter 72-78
Summer 80-86

I don't have a heater,or a chiller, or fans. my tank has reached 90 without issue, but only because of the consistently wild temp swings IMO. It's a mixed reef, but has numerous SPS corals.

I think the people that keep their tanks within a degree or two variation year round are the brave ones. what happens when your heater or chiller fails? a 4 degree swing can ruin your day, where as, I know my tank can handle it without any stress at all.

All just my opinion of course, no real science to back it up.

Agreed with you, am always worry by consistently maintains 26.5-27.5C. We stay summer all year round. As matter of fact am running 2 chillers main 1.5Hp and 1Hp concurrently, just in case. Am not brave enough LOL and you wonder how much my electrical bill :furious: but it is inevitable.

 

[MCCOOL]

Sana and MCCOOL , thank you both for not taking my question as an attack I really am not saying you are wrong but want to understand.

for me, I always "thought" that temp had alot to do with it., and got that Idea from the fishes, the more stable I keep temp for fish, the happier they seemed to me so I thought that's a rule, and from your words, I see that other way is possible as well, and I should have saved the effort and money I spend to keep the temp stable (finally after 2 months, I turned the AC off last night after this and had a GOOD sleep without the noise and the cold of A/C lol ) temp went up to 81.5, everything looked the same so ... . ( I cant let it get hotter cause of my seahorses though.)


I'm glad RC continues to teach me new things daily I have been a long long time reader and recently joined in. and Id like to apologize to everyone specially those who i have offended with my words :S specially since other thread is closed and I cant apologize there.

will make the GF bring her camera over this weekend so I can take some pics and post them

I think people questioning other peoples practices is part of what makes this place great, definitely no offense taken.

Like Sana, I only buy frags, I have a feeling colonies would have a harder time adapting.

I don't keep seahorses, so I can't comment on their temp requirements, but I'm glad things went well turning the AC off

 

[MCCOOL]

Agreed with you, am always worry by consistently maintains 26.5-27.5C. We stay summer all year round. As matter of fact am running 2 chillers main 1.5Hp and 1Hp concurrently, just in case. Am not brave enough LOL and you wonder how much my electrical bill :furious: but it is inevitable.

:eek1: 2.5hp of chilling, I bet that does get expensive haha, redundancy is always a good thing in this hobby though.

 

[reefkeeper01]

Consistency is key to maintaining all corals alive. Invest in a chiller and the variations in temperature will subside. They can get costly and I have owned cheap and pricey ones and can't say that I see a difference. An all in one (heat and chiller) is the best option. As a resident of NV that is the only way I can manage the heat without killing my AC or my pocketbook. Make sure you look at the amp and have the proper power source, a high amp may require a dedicated circuit.

 

[wickedfish]

Sana, Nice tank yeah this is definitely a hobby or way of life you can fit into a mold and with the proof of your tank flourishing what you do is working.

 

[Peter Eichler]

Consistency is key to maintaining all corals alive. Invest in a chiller and the variations in temperature will subside.

I see this and similar statements being repeated in this hobby over and over again and I just don't see much proof to support it anymore. Please don't think I'm singling you out or picking on you, you just happen to be the last one to say it.

I can assure you that consistency and and stability is not key nor even very important. I've eveperimented quite a bit in the last 5 years with temperature on my own setups and have yet to see anything to support the old belief of stability being important when it comes to temperature. The same goes for the old belief that any temperatures much over 80f are dangerous.

Temperature swings are very natural for corals and are believed to even have benefits by increasing their tolerance to the extreme highs and lows. Temperatures vary around 5 degrees from day to night on a typical reef. There are also swings throughout the day and night that are dramatic and abrupt. Corals during these swings in nature seem unphased as do the corals I've been able to witness with the swings I've created in my own tanks.

IMO people experiencing problems from temperature swings are more victims of too much stability and other problems with their chemistry/parameters than they are of the the swing itself. I've seen too many healthy tanks, even ones with stable temps, easily weather big temperature spikes to believe otherwise.

Cheers,
Peter

 

[sanababit]

Sana, Nice tank yeah this is definitely a hobby or way of life you can fit into a mold and with the proof of your tank flourishing what you do is working.

Muchas gracias amigo, i love my tank, but i try to do things differently, i experiment with my tank, and try to share those experiences with you all, thanks again

Sana

 

[sanababit]

I see this and similar statements being repeated in this hobby over and over again and I just don't see much proof to support it anymore. Please don't think I'm singling you out or picking on you, you just happen to be the last one to say it.

I can assure you that consistency and and stability is not key nor even very important. I've eveperimented quite a bit in the last 5 years with temperature on my own setups and have yet to see anything to support the old belief of stability being important when it comes to temperature. The same goes for the old belief that any temperatures much over 80f are dangerous.

Temperature swings are very natural for corals and are believed to even have benefits by increasing their tolerance to the extreme highs and lows. Temperatures vary around 5 degrees from day to night on a typical reef. There are also swings throughout the day and night that are dramatic and abrupt. Corals during these swings in nature seem unphased as do the corals I've been able to witness with the swings I've created in my own tanks.

IMO people experiencing problems from temperature swings are more victims of too much stability and other problems with their chemistry/parameters than they are of the the swing itself. I've seen too many healthy tanks, even ones with stable temps, easily weather big temperature spikes to believe otherwise.

Cheers,
Peter

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Sana

 

[fishdoc11]

My tanks have had temp swings as much as 4 or 5 degrees over the years with no ill effects. That being said I still try to keep things somewhere between 78 and 81 degrees but I don't think this is imperative, especially if your corals are used to a swing and they have been conditioned to tank life for a while (a few years). As far as a maximum temp I think the general consensus is that bleaching typically takes place around 85 - 86 degrees in the wild and in hobbyists tanks. I'm sure even this is not an absolute but that is the best I can surmise from years of looking at these threads and bleaching episodes in the wild.
hth, Chris

Edit: Oh and page 3 is mine