How many clownfish can I keep in a 90g?

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What do you consider to be a reputable breeder? I would thing good healthy & good color fish & very few losses.

Well for beginners not someone that would give the advice you gave to OP on moving forward w/ his experiment, especially someone so fresh to the hobby they are going off FW guidelines, outdated guidelines I might add.
My advice leans towards the safe side in hopes to achieve success for not only the hobbiest, but also the animals, it's just responsible reef keeping.
 
I was the one that started the comment about the outdated guideline in hopes to prove the point that, even if one were to use this guideline there would still be 70 fish too many. However the OP didn't see it this way and instead took it as "well they are all under an inch so I'll be good.

Obviously his mind is made up and there will be no convincing him until the ammonia spikes and then he will either come back asking why all his fish are dying or he just wont post anymore. Sad situation really for both the fish and his $$$, he is better off just taking 3/4 of the money he is going to use to buy the fish and lighting it on fire, at least then there wont be 50+ dead fish as a result.
 
post #36- REEFSTEW - "I try to sell them when they reach the 1" size. If they are around much longer they start to fight & beat up the smaller ones."

so it seems to me that you will soon have about 100 clownfish in a 90 gallon tank beating each other up. You have specifically chosen to ignore good info from several experienced hobbyists and decided to listen to the first person that gave you the answer you wanted to hear anyway. I am curious, why did you post this question to begin with if you were going to do what you wanted anyway?
 
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I'm not taking this person seriously at all. Almost acts like a troll.

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I was thinking the same thing, it's just too ridiculous, comical, but the thing is that whether they are for real, and do what many like this do which is fade away and never own up, or just be a joke, there will be someone that reads these things and thinks it's acceptable to do, which is very sad for our hobby.
 
I was thinking the same thing, it's just too ridiculous, comical, but the thing is that whether they are for real, and do what many like this do which is fade away and never own up, or just be a joke, there will be someone that reads these things and thinks it's acceptable to do, which is very sad for our hobby.

Agreed!!!!
 
Thank you ladies and gentlemen for your comments and opinions. I asked the simple question to see what those experienced in keeping 100 clowns alive thought and it seems to me that none of you except for Reefstew have any experience with this at all.
Constructive critism is encouraged but all the negative comments and name calling was just a little immature IMO. If you can't offer advice or an opinion without putting someone down or name calling then I think you should refrain from posting in anyone's thread. Thanks for your cooperation.
 
I'm planning a multi-clown/bta tank as well; so I totally understand the desire to try to make this work... but 100 is just sooo many clowns!

I trust you've already seen moberts beautiful tank; it looks so busy and that's just 27 clowns. Even if it was technically possible; 100 in a 90g just wouldn't look very aesthetically pleasing. Can you maybe get a deal with the breeder for less clowns? Even if you have to pay more for less... 6mths down the road when the weakest have been picked off from the 100, you'll probably have the same number anyway! :)

How many anemones do you have at the moment too? Mobert introduced her clowns into a tank with a LOT of BTAs which is probably one of the reasons it worked. I wouldn't even consider adding a large number of clowns without a large number of BTAs present. A load of clowns sharing 3 or 4 BTAs just isn't going to cut it.

Another thing mobert does to keep her clowns from murdering each other is heavy feeding. If you check more recent postings in her thread, she's actually lost quite a few clowns from leaving the tank on the auto-feeder. Heavy feeding is going to be near impossible with such a large bio-load. Remember you'll have to keep the water quality pretty good for those nems, or they'll start dying back too.

What you're trying to do is not a clown breeder tank situation. Breeders can do what they do because they sell the clowns before the aggression really sets in. You said you were getting yours at 1"...which is also the size ReefStew said he sells his because they start fighting.

I really think you can get multiple clowns to work in a 90g... but you have to be more realistic. 7-15 clowns in a 90g could make a beautiful display and if it didn't work out, at least you'd have a manageable number to sell locally or trade into the LFS. Getting stuck with 100 clowns who are trying to kill each other will not be an easy situation to get out of.
 
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Thank you ladies and gentlemen for your comments and opinions. I asked the simple question to see what those experienced in keeping 100 clowns alive thought and it seems to me that none of you except for Reefstew have any experience with this at all.
Constructive critism is encouraged but all the negative comments and name calling was just a little immature IMO. If you can't offer advice or an opinion without putting someone down or name calling then I think you should refrain from posting in anyone's thread. Thanks for your cooperation.

The only people that will have exp. in keeping that many clowns in a relatively small tank will be breeders. The fact is that keeping that many clowns in a display type tank will ultimately end in failure. It is not a question of will it work but more along the lines of how long until it fails. Do a search on RC and see how many clowns are usually recommended to keep in a display tank. But since your question was already answered by the one individual you think is right ( a breeder), there is no point in continuing to tell you this will not work long term and you will just have to see for yourself at the expense of 50+ fish.
 
Most of us are in awe of her ability to achieve what she has accomplished.

Most of us understand that taking a clutch of captive-raised babies that have adopted unnatural schooling behavior and sticking them together in a large aquarium is NOT an "accomplishment". You could pack 10x as many baby clowns in the same tank if you wanted - heck I've seen it at breeders a number of times. I wouldn't recommend it, but you could always "do" it. The issue is trying to do the same thing with (1) wild caught clowns or (2) juvenile to adult clowns.

But I don't think people come here really asking for advice - I think they have already decided what they have wanted to do and are just looking for someone - anyone - to agree with them.
 
Did anyone ever ask (or answered) what type of clowns?

I just assumed A. ocellaris or A. percula based on the size discussion. I've got an 18+ year old Maroon in a 300. I know if I added a 100 clowns in with her she'd kill them all inside a week! She's my only named fish and her name is B!t@H. (She bites)
 
I've got an 18+ year old Maroon in a 300. I know if I added a 100 clowns in with her she'd kill them all inside a week! She's my only named fish and her name is B!t@H. (She bites)

Shhh people don't want to hear this. They only want ONE person to say "sure go ahead" so they can experiment with the lives of their animals.
 
I for one am really looking forward to hearing more about how this project goes in 9 months! I have my opinions and my predictions, but who am I to prevent a fool and his money from being parted? Maybe if this project flops as horribly as one would assume, he will leave the hobby-- probably to the benefit of animal well being.

They are tank raised animals, so he isn't harming the reef with this project...
 
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Clowntastic, how old are you?
 
After all of the "suggestions" I have decided not to try and keep 100 baby clowns in a 90g. I am going to do it with 50 baby clowns instead of 100. I was going to get 100 Black & White but I have decided to get 50 Picassos instead. Surely this should be a lot more successful.
 
After all of the "suggestions" I have decided not to try and keep 100 baby clowns in a 90g. I am going to do it with 50 baby clowns instead of 100. I was going to get 100 Black & White but I have decided to get 50 Picassos instead. Surely this should be a lot more successful.

You should be ok with that as long as you keep on top of water parameters and sell them off periodically. It is not unusual for a breeder to keep 100 post-metamorphosis clowns in a 10 gallon tank - but these are accomplished breeders who consider the die-off as survival of the fittest, which in breeding situations has some validity to it.

Many animal breeding operations on farms and even in the wild use this method of keeping the livestock/herd strong.

50 perculas in a 90gl is still too many, so don't take this as an endorsement. I'm just suggesting that it can be done, if done properly.
 
Yeah i think my plan for splitting them in half and putting them in another tank will be perfect. I want to create 2 completely different looking aquascapes, one with pillars and the other one be 2 small islands. Do you think I should split them in half right away or keep them all together?
 
Clownfish are demersal spawners. Meaning that they lay their nest of eggs on rocks, shells, or other solid objects on or near the bottom. For this reason, their natural instinct is to claim a suitable nesting spot and defend it against all comers. I breed clowns, and this behavior is clearly exhibited among my broodstock pairs. The reason breeders can keep large numbers of juvenile clownfish in a single tank is threefold. 1. Juvenile clowns have not yet experienced the full force of the genetic instict to establish and protect their turf. I stress the importance of noting that I said the "full force" of these instincts, because even in very young clowns, the behaviors associated with their need to carve out their own space is still present. 2. When I raise juvenile clowns, I do so in a tank that is bare bottom, and has as few solid objects in it as possible. Once any structure is introduced, their instinct to take and hold ground becomes very pronounced, even at a young age. Even so, at this young age, the competition is usually only deadly to the weakest specimens. 3. Heavy feedings and frequent water changes. I view it kind of like how I feel after a big meal. I generally want to just chill out on the sofa for a while. Young clowns seem to have a similar response. As long as their bellies are full, they have less motivation to fight.

All of this changes when clowns reach sexual maturity. It is worth noting here that all clowns start of life as males, and will only change sex to female if they are successful in asserting dominance over all the other clowns in the area. Just think about this in human terms. If you took 100 young men, stuck them on an island with no rules, except that only one of them would have the chance to mate, what do you think would happen??? The drive to procreate is every bit as strong...if not stronger... in fish as in humans.
 
Thank you very much for taking the time for the post. I appreciate the information very much. I understand what you are saying. So in your opinion home many can I safe keep in a reef aquarium?
 
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