How this Geezer did it in the beginning

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Planned Obsolescence...

Those very words make my blood boil... To think we stopped trying to make the "best" and they traded that for comfortable, frequent paychecks! No different then the mob! Should be illegal for companies of the same industries to even work together to screw the customer like that!

Hey Paul! Thank you for posting this! I had no idea how the hobby got along in the early years. The air pumps with leather and oil! Wow! Slate bottom tanks?! Whale oil lanterns for heaters!! At first I couldn't even figure out how that could be done, till you explained it!!

So my fish story, I dont think I am a geezer yet but I have seen enough...

I was born in 1984 so that makes me 28, the aquarium industry was very established by that time. It was normal to go to a pet store or Woolworth's and buy a (horribly sick) fish, a tank, colored gravel, plastic plants etc. Air pumps weren't leather, and didn't need weekly attention, I can tell you that for sure! Seems like it would have been easier to pay someone to come blow air into your tank all day! :D :D :D

As far back as I could remember my family has (most of the time) had at least one tank setup. First family tank was a 20 gallon goldfish tank. Was in the kitchen next to the sink, my mother setup the tank for us as kids. We had three of the most standard goldfish one could buy that seemed to live forever... or it was b/c I was 4 or 5 years old and had no concept of time... those where the days....

As I got older I kept my own aquariums, my first tank was an actual goldfish bowl with a small sign that said "no fishing" and a "scuba guy with his treasure chest bubbler" that opened up on its own and multi colored gravel. :bounce1: :D :bounce1: It contained one fancy gold, named it spud, after the dog who was famous at the time... (I think late 80's early 90's) After three years of life in my fish bowl, it died... Great track record for an 7 or 8 year old, my family told me he died of old age... :twitch: I can remember I cleaned his tank with bleach and water too often, that bowl must have cycled every month! :facepalm: The best thing I knew was if you put bubbles in the fish dont just keep "eating air" at the top! I had no clue about the nitrogen cycle, this too was pre-Internet days... But it wasn't far off...

After sometime my brother who is a little older got a 55 gallon tank. That thing was the bee knees!! We loved it and it helped me learn a lot about how nature worked... We still didn't know it was the nitrogen cycle then but the LFS did their best to teach a young fish junkie what was happening in our tanks... My brothers tank was a tropical community tank, with a standard pet store bunch... We got a little older and started keeping newts and small turtles with his fish. During this time...

My first "tropical" fish tank was a 10 gallon with one Oscar... and it
had a heater! I was so proud of that fact, step up from bubble master! It was like all heaters at the time... Made of the cheapest glass possible and hooked into the rim of the tank... I have one very vivid memory of that tank... I was doing my partial water change, like a good keeper... Forgot to unplug the heater... I think most know where this is going but... I removed the normal few gallons and went to dump it and fill with fresh from the tub, came back minutes later to find a dead fish, glass on the gravel and the exposed coils of the heater dangling... I was heart broken, first thing I felt responsible for killing in my life! After all spud died of "old age"!

My oldest brother had a small 15 or so hex, with a few of those black gold fish with the popout eyes... lol funny still dont know what they are called! Could google it, but its funnier that way! He was all art deco with all white gravel, black fish, a black plastic plant... I thought it was cool but not as cool as my other brothers 55...

My mother wouldn't let me get any more fish for my tank... My eldest bro with the hex, my other with the 55 gallon and me the youngest who just killed his fish from his 10 gallon... I am sure she was actually relieved! lol So I got my aquarium fix off my brothers 55 gallon through most of my pre-teen years. He always let me help with cleaning or just watching the tank, after all, you could hog the nintendo but you could never really hog the fish tank. At one point he found a small box turtle in the street while doing his delivering papers. It was not in great shape, we believe it was from the local pond, but it was probably someones pet at one point... Anyway we dropped the tank water level like 5", built a mini dock from scrap balsa wood. The water level made the aquaclear 70 have a real mini water fall effect... we enjoyed this tank for a long time... So did the turtle, when it got to big we let it go back in its "home" in the pond. He also at one point got a snakehead, are cool, but died in a heater failure.

thats all for now...
 
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Planned Obsolescence...

Those very words make my blood boil... To think we stopped trying to make the "best" and they traded that for comfortable, frequent paychecks! No different then the mob! Should be illegal for companies of the same industries to even work together to screw the customer like that!

Hey Paul! Thank you for posting this! I had no idea how the hobby got along in the early years. The air pumps with leather and oil! Wow! Slate bottom tanks?! Whale oil lanterns for heaters!! At first I couldn't even figure out how that could be done, till you explained it!!

So my fish story, I dont think I am a geezer yet but I have seen enough...

I was born in 1984 so that makes me 28, the aquarium industry was very established by that time. It was normal to go to a pet store or Woolworth's and buy a (horribly sick) fish, a tank, colored gravel, plastic plants etc. Air pumps weren't leather, and didn't need weekly attention, I can tell you that for sure! Seems like it would have been easier to pay someone to come blow air into your tank all day! :D :D :D

As far back as I could remember my family has (most of the time) had at least one tank setup. First family tank was a 20 gallon goldfish tank. Was in the kitchen next to the sink, my mother setup the tank for us as kids. We had three of the most standard goldfish one could buy that seemed to live forever... or it was b/c I was 4 or 5 years old and had no concept of time... those where the days....

As I got older I kept my own aquariums, my first tank was an actual goldfish bowl with a small sign that said "no fishing" and a "scuba guy with his treasure chest bubbler" that opened up on its own and multi colored gravel. :bounce1: :D :bounce1: It contained one fancy gold, named it spud, after the dog who was famous at the time... (I think late 80's early 90's) After three years of life in my fish bowl, it died... Great track record for an 7 or 8 year old, my family told me he died of old age... :twitch: I can remember I cleaned his tank with bleach and water too often, that bowl must have cycled every month! :facepalm: The best thing I knew was if you put bubbles in the fish dont just keep "eating air" at the top! I had no clue about the nitrogen cycle, this too was pre-Internet days... But it wasn't far off...

After sometime my brother who is a little older got a 55 gallon tank. That thing was the bee knees!! We loved it and it helped me learn a lot about how nature worked... We still didn't know it was the nitrogen cycle then but the LFS did their best to teach a young fish junkie what was happening in our tanks... My brothers tank was a tropical community tank, with a standard pet store bunch... We got a little older and started keeping newts and small turtles with his fish. During this time...

My first "tropical" fish tank was a 10 gallon with one Oscar... and it
had a heater! I was so proud of that fact, step up from bubble master! It was like all heaters at the time... Made of the cheapest glass possible and hooked into the rim of the tank... I have one very vivid memory of that tank... I was doing my partial water change, like a good keeper... Forgot to unplug the heater... I think most know where this is going but... I removed the normal few gallons and went to dump it and fill with fresh from the tub, came back minutes later to find a dead fish, glass on the gravel and the exposed coils of the heater dangling... I was heart broken, first thing I felt responsible for killing in my life! After all spud died of "old age"!

My oldest brother had a small 15 or so hex, with a few of those black gold fish with the popout eyes... lol funny still dont know what they are called! Could google it, but its funnier that way! He was all art deco with all white gravel, black fish, a black plastic plant... I thought it was cool but not as cool as my other brothers 55...

My mother wouldn't let me get any more fish for my tank... My eldest bro with the hex, my other with the 55 gallon and me the youngest who just killed his fish from his 10 gallon... I am sure she was actually relieved! lol So I got my aquarium fix off my brothers 55 gallon through most of my pre-teen years. He always let me help with cleaning or just watching the tank, after all, you could hog the nintendo but you could never really hog the fish tank. At one point he found a small box turtle in the street while doing his delivering papers. It was not in great shape, we believe it was from the local pond, but it was probably someones pet at one point... Anyway we dropped the tank water level like 5", built a mini dock from scrap balsa wood. The water level made the aquaclear 70 have a real mini water fall effect... we enjoyed this tank for a long time... So did the turtle, when it got to big we let it go back in its "home" in the pond. He also at one point got a snakehead, are cool, but died in a heater failure.

thats all for now...

Excellent post, but this is Pauls thread!!!;)
 
Srusso, thanks for posting that, I was getting tired of doing all the writing.
Wow I so remember shopping at woolworth's man its been a long time.
That was the only place to buy fish, I got them there in the early fiftees. :facepalm:

Excellent post, but this is Pauls thread!!!
No, it's everyone's thread. :wave:

I think maybe srusso is Paul's long lost son. The bleaching gave it away.

He's too young. But he could be my Grand Son :bum:

The original tanks with the slate bottoms also had metal sides and the first ones were painted black, later they were chrome. The iron ones had to be painted all the time or the salt water would eat them up. They didn't last long because inside the seams would rust and you could not paint in there. They were sealed with asphaltium varnish which is a nice way to say tar with shellac in it. Nasty stuff. Probably toxic also.

But fish in those days were cheap, like 15 cents if that. I got good at keping them alive and eventually I got a 40 gallon tank which was huge.
That eventually became my salt tank. I liked making my own bubblers and was never crazy about store bought treasure cheats or divers.
But even though the pumps were noisy, the heaters cracked, the tanks leaked and the lights shocked you, the hobby was cool and it was and still is an addiction.
When salt tanks first started I wanted a sea turtle, and they were for sale, baby green sea turtles for $50.00. It's a good thing I never got one because what would I do with it after it got to 400 lbs?
I didn't have the fifty bucks either, that was a months salary.:crazy1:
 
I remember how happy I was when I started to collect amphipods on a muddy beach. At that time I really didn't know if they were good, bad or indifferent. I threw a bunch of them in my tank, not knowing if they would eat my fish. Luckily, I discovered that they are a good thing, make great scavengers and a fantastic food for the fish. I know most people don't have access to the sea and their tanks will be sort of sterile. Yes I know they have some critters in there from an LFS but not really much life from the sea. I am talking about the microcscopic stuff. I have always felt that most tanks are much too sterile and those sterile tanks seem to me to always be on the verge of crashing.
People talk about mini cycles and all that. I don't really even know what that is and I think it is because of all the bacteria and other tiny creatures in my tank.
This stuff re produces but I still feel it is a benefit to add it as much as I can. I have always said, this stuff should be sold, not the bacteria in a bottle as I think that is just silly, but a bag of fresh mud with all the life. This stuff could be collected and sold just like fish but locally. It does not have to come from the tropics and as a matter of fact, I feel the stuff in the mud in northern waters would be much more forgiveing when it comes to temp, nitrate, ammonia etc. Tropical life forms are much more delicate.
All my opinion of course and absolutely none of it has any sort of scientific backing. It is just from my experience and my tank does not seem to have many problems.
Even now with my nitrates aproaching 40, I can't get algae to grow in my (Newly renovated) algae trough. It should be growing up the walls (and I wish it would) but something is preventing it from growing. But at the same time the corals look fantastic, even and especially the SPS. These are things that facinate me and I want to know why. There is so much we don't know. Why is algae not growing, why are SPSs doing well, why are the fish spawning? Is it the tiny creatures and bacteria I add, the small portion of NSW, something to do with the age of the system? The Ozone I add?
These are the things that keep me up at night, I wish it was because of a Supermodel but they are probably home taking care of their own tanks or out collecting amphipods. :D
I need a little time to play with the nitrate and I really want to put cement on the screen in the algae trough but for some reason, thare is no algae at all in there. I made a mistake and cleaned it too well.
I also know that one day I could wake up to a tank full of hair algae. That would remove all the nitrates and that occurance also would facinate me.
As I said my tank is not just a thing to sit there and have me take care of it.
That would be a spoiled child. My tank is a learning, fun thing to experiment with, to tinker with, to spend quality time with and to enjoy. If it crashes, it crashes, it's a fish tank and if that crashing teaches me something I would be thrilled.
I should send some water to Randy, he is the chemist here and knows more about chemistry that I ever will. ;)

It is now boating season and most of my time is spent on the boat so the tank suffers. Also this year all of our Daughters friends are having babies, including her, 3 of them are due the same week so my wife is very busy going to showers. More of our friends kids are getting married so we also have too many weddings to go to. It is going to be a busy summer.
For some reason we have an enormous amount of close friends, many from high school and some from grammar school (yes I went to grammar school and no, it was not in a one room school house, but it was heated with coal):reading:
WE are a large crowd.
With friends you get obligations and some things you just can't get out of so the rest of your life gets put on hold.:uhoh2:
 
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Hello. first off thank you for your service, i am an e3 in the coast guard and im out here on the outer banks of nc. i just got into saltwater about a year ago due to a friend of mine having a nice tank i got bit by the bug. its nice to see the pictures and here the stories from back in the day and to hear how some people still go against the grain. as the saying goes if "you arent making someone mad your not doing it right". keep the stories going, i have realy enjoyed all of it.
 
Yeah my first tank setup came from woolworth 10g tropical fish package and I bought neon fish the same day I bought the tank. Brought it home threw water and the filters in the tank and dropped my neon tetras in and then wondered why they started to die. lol
 
first off thank you for your service, i am an e3 in the coast guard

Thank you for your service also. I am in the merchant Marines now as a Captain but I really don't use the lisence for much except my own boat.

if "you arent making someone mad your not doing it right".

I must be very right because I make a lot of people mad. :D
 
Doh! I'm on the boat for the weekend and forgot to bring a carboy or two with me. I'll have to wait until next week to try NSW.
 
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I'm on the boat for the weekend and forgot to bring a carboy or two with me.
I was out yesterday in the day and I will be out today. I will be collecting clams, shrimp, oysters and calamari but only because I will be eating them. I went to a party last night and had the same thing but today there is a good seafood place in the Bronx and they have a dock so thats where I'm going. :celeb3:
Either I am taking care of these things or I am eating them. :crazy1:
 
I was out yesterday in the day and I will be out today. I will be collecting clams, shrimp, oysters and calamari but only because I will be eating them. I went to a party last night and had the same thing but today there is a good seafood place in the Bronx and they have a dock so thats where I'm going. :celeb3:
Either I am taking care of these things or I am eating them. :crazy1:

You must be talking about city island not the bronx.
 
You must be talking about city island not the bronx
I am actually talking about New Rochelle but I do go to City Island almost every yeek because my closest friend and diving partner has his boat there and we either hang out there or where my boat is in Port Washington
 
I just got back from eating clams on the boat because it started pouring. Now I am diatom filtering my reef. A diatom filter for those who don't know is a canister filter that you fill with diatom powder and filter the water through it. It will remove everything up to about a millionth of an inch thick or about the thickness of one of "my" hairs.
I am on about my 6th diatom filter because they were designed for fresh water and rust badly when used in salt water. Even for fresh water they were not designed to well and I have practically re-designed the entire thing.
Anyway they are a very powerful filter and will make the water crystal clear. I use it a few times a year for maintenance. I blow around the gravel and powerwash the rocks. If you have a DSB, you can't do that and you are on your own. I feel this maintenance is essential to keeping a reef tank long term and I really don't know how people keep tanks long term without one. If this last one I have croaks, I would have to build one from scratch because I am not even sure if they make them any more.
My tank now looks like milk because I stirred it all up. The only problems I have doing this is that I usually lose a blue striped pipefish when I do it, I don't think they can take all the stirred up detritus, it must clog their gills. I am trying to go slowly and only do a portion at a time because I really like my pipefish and there is no possability of catching her.
As you know, I run a RUGF and it requires a little maintenance a couple of times a year. Nothing will last long without maintenance even our relationships with our spouses. :love1:
 
New Rochelle your making me wish I was still in New York just moved out to charlotte nc about 3 moths ago and I love it out here except I think Im like 3 hours away from the nearest ocean. But I miss City Island.
 
Im like 3 hours away from the nearest ocean

I am about 20 minutes from the water and if I ever move anywhere it has to be closer.
I don't do well away from water, I must have a little Aquaman in me :eek2:
 
I just got back from eating clams on the boat because it started pouring. Now I am diatom filtering my reef. A diatom filter for those who don't know is a canister filter that you fill with diatom powder and filter the water through it. It will remove everything up to about a millionth of an inch thick or about the thickness of one of "my" hairs.
I am on about my 6th diatom filter because they were designed for fresh water and rust badly when used in salt water. Even for fresh water they were not designed to well and I have practically re-designed the entire thing.
Anyway they are a very powerful filter and will make the water crystal clear. I use it a few times a year for maintenance. I blow around the gravel and powerwash the rocks. If you have a DSB, you can't do that and you are on your own. I feel this maintenance is essential to keeping a reef tank long term and I really don't know how people keep tanks long term without one. If this last one I have croaks, I would have to build one from scratch because I am not even sure if they make them any more.
My tank now looks like milk because I stirred it all up. The only problems I have doing this is that I usually lose a blue striped pipefish when I do it, I don't think they can take all the stirred up detritus, it must clog their gills. I am trying to go slowly and only do a portion at a time because I really like my pipefish and there is no possability of catching her.
As you know, I run a RUGF and it requires a little maintenance a couple of times a year. Nothing will last long without maintenance even our relationships with our spouses. :love1:
i have heard they still make them, but i don't know anything about them...do you know if they work the same/are the same as the pool filters with what i remember being called something like "diametirous earth"?
 
Yes they are the same as the pool filters and use the same powder. I think now you have to get the powder at a pool store because it is supposed to give you cancer, like everything else, so I guess if people who have pools get cancer, it is OK but not people who have fish tanks. I am sure in California it gives you cancer because almost everything in California gives you cancer.
 
Yes they are the same as the pool filters and use the same powder. I think now you have to get the powder at a pool store because it is supposed to give you cancer, like everything else, so I guess if people who have pools get cancer, it is OK but not people who have fish tanks. I am sure in California it gives you cancer because almost everything in California gives you cancer.
cool... we had one on the pool when i was a kid...i'm either immune, or the cancer is waiting until after i win the lottery. :p
 
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