How to convince your parents.

Salty168

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Hey

So someone i know asked me to post this. He is 15 and wants to know how to convince his parents to let him get a reef tank. His dad was in the hobby for a while but stopped about 7 years ago.

He says he wants to know ALL the pros and cons to tell his parents.

Thanks guys, i'll be sure to keep him updated.
 
This one's easy... tell him to tell his parents that he wants to study marine biology in college and wants to start by learning how to successfully maintain a closed eco system.

I would be very surprised by any father who... "was in the hobby" to not absolutely love the idea of building a tank with his son... I would LOVE to do that with my 16 yr old, but his focus is (well, beyond school work as much as possible), cars, girls, and getting his first summer job to support those habits! :p

I would obviously agree with post above about the expensive part, but one can start very small and still feel a level of success. :)

I would also suggest that in order to express maturity in the desire for the project, be sure to do some homework first, define a list of realistic objectives, and lay out a plan that shows patience in the process.

I would also be very surprised if dad said yes without the last bit mentioned, esp if he was previously, "was in the hobby". ;)

eta: oh, and I would highly suggest him starting with a fowlr tank first, and once he can maintain that, look at doing reefy inverts/corals/etc.
 
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Like the family dog or the goldfish won at the fair i am sure he is 100 percent into this now. But being a father i can tell you in 6 months it will be dads tank and girls, sports, cars and other things will take precedence. Quite an expensive hobby for a 15 year old.
 
Honestly. Not all teenage boys are into girls, and cars. And the only reason I wanted a summer job as a high schooler was to pay for my aquariums. We have much more going on under the surface than meets the eye.

Pro-college- I'm nearly 100% certain that my failure to keep a yellow tang in a 10 gallon aquarium when I was 10 (and my subsequent essay about it), was able to get me into some of America's top colleges like Stanford+the Ivies, as well as the waitlists of Ivies that didn't accept me at first. So yeah, my hobby, and the interest in marine biology that occurred as a side note, got me into a bleeping great university.

Con-Time sucker- As a high schooler, balancing four aquariums with varsity swim, first chair in marching and concert band, #1 rank in the school, and community service, was hard. Aquariums often took a back seat to competitions and grades throughout the school year. So it's not going to look perfect for a few weeks of the year.

Pro-Always stuff to do- In regards to the above con, I was never bored though. This forum, books, magazines, and the aquariums themselves were more than enough to keep me always busy.

Con-Nobody's going to know what the heck you're doing- Believe me. I tried teaching my parents about the nitrogen cycle for 8 years straight...they still haven't read the required chapters that explain why I change "clean" water for newly made water. The parents might find it pointless.

Pro-Potential entrepreneurship opportunity- If he has the time, your friend could look into breeding/raising marine life in terms of fragging sessile inverts like coral, or even breeding simpler fish like clownfish and banggai cardinalfish. I never did this, as I was never able to locate good broodstock, but there's a pair of banggai's waiting for me to come back home for the summer...

Con-Expensive-There's no going around this. Coral's expensive unless you go to the $5 frag rack. The cheapest fish are 7$ damselfish, while most other fish are $30+ for the nicer ones. The tank and equipment will make him go into sticker shock. A modest 20H (what I would recommend to past me) +sump and everything else could easily go into 300-400 $ depending on equipment. Good thing there are internet sales to counteract all of this.

Pro-Intro to Marine Biology- Again referencing the yellow tang getting me into college, I can say that it really got me into marine biology. While I can't start taking classes on marine bio until next year due to prerequisites, I look forward to classes covering coral reef biomes, amidst other things. I also got a leg up on applying to marine biology internships due to my experience with marine organisms.

Con-Doesn't really help with marine biology as a study- I learned this while taking a summer class on marine biology. Reefkeepers don't really pay attention to thermoclines and gyres as well as how they affect biology etc. Aquariums are a good place to get a good look at what's overlooked on a reef, but they don't really agree with what most professors study and internships offered in my case.
 
Your "someone" needs to look into the logistics of an aquarium. Reefkeeping and the hobby have most likely changed since his dad was in the hobby (ie underground filters).

I can proudly say that I took care of all my aquariums in high school. Unlike my sisters and their dogs, I fed my fish, cleaned their tanks, and was the ultimate caretaker of them. My parents only helped when they felt that the tank "looked" dirty and took the magnetic algae scraper to the glass. The tank will very much be his responsibility. It's basically going to be his child, only less intense and less wake up in the middle of the night to feed it.

Salty, do follow up with any more questions he has. Being the only one who was in the hobby where I was from...sucked, and I would have liked to recieve any advice when I was 10 and dealing with a dying yellow tang.
 
Tell him to get a job at a reef store... get stuff on discount.
Then he can say that he's learning how to take care of a reef.
Then he can honestly say that he won't let it become "dad's tank"

Pros: Personal growth through pain and stress
Cons: Less time with girls

Pros: Geeky girls would dig it
Cons: They'll want to "help" make decisions about it

Pros: Learn how to make your own stuff (DIY) instead of buying new to save money
Cons: No matter how cheaply you get the equipment, the life is always expensive$$

Pros: Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Math, Photography, Art all start to have real relevance
Cons: Way too mature for his age - girl turn off.
 
If he is 15 he will most likely work for minimum wage which I highly doubt will be able to sustain any reef tank.

McDonalds workers in NY will making 30k/year if they work a 40 hr week. ;)
That's 30% more than I was making coming out of college! :uhoh3:
 
Tell him to get a job at a reef store... get stuff on discount.
Then he can say that he's learning how to take care of a reef.
Then he can honestly say that he won't let it become "dad's tank"

Pros: Personal growth through pain and stress
Cons: Less time with girls

Pros: Geeky girls would dig it
Cons: They'll want to "help" make decisions about it

Pros: Learn how to make your own stuff (DIY) instead of buying new to save money
Cons: No matter how cheaply you get the equipment, the life is always expensive$$

Pros: Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Math, Photography, Art all start to have real relevance
Cons: Way too mature for his age - girl turn off.

this so much he's at the age where he can work work for it
 
15 yo disposable income = 75 to 100%

45 yo disposable income = 5%

15 yo must ask patents' permission to have a reef tank

45 yo must ask wife for permission and buy new xxxx first
 
Ok.. Share of income is lower, but income is higher... Just not by enough

15yo income = $5k... X 100% = $5000
45yo income = $50k... X 5% = $2500

No wonder kids today mooch so much off their parents... Free room and board ... And reef tank!!
 
Keeping things small, compact, simple and as inexpensive as possible (Craigslist) might soften any objections. Promise to blow it out to a another owner if he starts slacking on the tank maintence & care.

Remind his parents he is actually learning something here. Ecology. Biology. Chemistry. Applied mathmatics. Physics. Mechanical skills. It's s lot better for the mind then staying in a zombie trance for hours on end fooling with Instagram & wreaking havoc on Grand Thert Auto. It's creative. Good luck.
 
This is easy in my opinion and there are so many things it teaches by having a tank. Financial responsibility, if you want something you have to work hard to achieve it.
Personal Resposibility, if you don't do what you need to do you won't be successful and your fish and corals will suffer.
Education, there is a lot to learn
So many positive points I think it's a no brainer
 
get a job. there's nothing like paying for something you want with money you earned yourself.

parents should be happy the kid will have a real hobby instead of spending time hours on end doing useless nonsense stuff on the internet, which I think 99% of kids nowadays do.
 
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