How-to-ship-coral guide

That's great.
What would you say is the coldest temps you can ship with these? Obviously with heat packs. It's pretty freezing here in NJ right now.


There is, although I've never sold 10 frags at a time so I've never had the cooler packed up that high. Even for vendors it seems like selling 10 pieces at a time is pretty rare due to how high the prices are on frags these days.
 
Thanks Miguel for posting and including pictures. I previously mentioned there are certainly more methods to ship, but your post highlights exactly the reason why I did my write up. You cover the box, and how p-cups fit inside the box "“ but there are so many items on either side and in between that's not covered. What do you use to place the frag plug inside the cup? Surely you don't have an acro frag rolling around knocking against the sides of the cup.

If you look at this link here, http://www.michiganreefers.com/forums/reef-discussion/116205-how-i-ship-high-end-corals.html
I see the foam inserts second method is a great option but two issues. First, I can't find an inexpensive source and second when the plug foam insert is placed inside the cup, on the receiving end it's a pain to get the insert out. Drilling out styrophoam is really messy, and time consuming. I find the heat seal is as about as quick as closing the lid on a pcup. It was asked above, do you have room, if shipping 10 frags, for a heat pack? Since my frags are reasonably priced I ship between 6 to 20 frags per order.

I do however want to explore this technique as it ships in smaller boxes = less cost for shipping and that's my goal as long as I can confirm it works well in colder or hotter weather. This certainly gives me something to consider and ponder for sure, and again I like how tight the p-cups fit. I just want to know a good way to get the plugs in with a quick repeatable cheap way that works as good as your other parts.
 
What do you use to place the frag plug inside the cup? Surely you don’t have an acro frag rolling around knocking against the sides of the cup. I just want to know a good way to get the plugs in with a quick repeatable cheap way that works as good as your other parts.

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I find the heat seal is as about as quick as closing the lid on a pcup.

Heat sealers require maintenance, bags, saltwater corrosion on metal components, saltwater around electronics that aren't rated safe for getting water on them, etc... Never had a heat sealer last longer than 5 months, had 2 spectacularly melt down from water getting on the wrong spots. In all honesty I wouldn't feel comfortable having one in my home for use with anything related to water...

Since my frags are reasonably priced I ship between 6 to 20 frags per order.

Buying larger boxes and insulated shippers is also an option :)

At the end of the day there's no one-size-fits-all approach for shipping corals. If it works for you then that's awesome, plus you already have all the gear and a method you're comfortable with which is great, but I wouldn't recommend that approach to people who have to buy the equipment from scratch. Personally I started with the method you're using a long time ago and ended up at this one due to concerns about safety, storage space, materials cost, efficiency, and lower shipping fees combined with a hobby that ditched larger nice colonies for microscopic additions to tanks that now look like Christmas trees packed with tiny ornaments. You can probably guess how I feel about that last part :D
 
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Great info on both of your options.

In either case what are the minimum and maximum temps you would ship Sps or zoas, etc....

I didn't see the heat packs anywhere. Maybe I just missed it?
 
The heat sealer is $35 bucks, so I have no issues ditching it, but like you said i have it and it works for me. I also sprayed it with A spray varnish (wife has cans since she is a painter), this stops any rust. Also, I recommended using longer bags since no water seeps out or even gets onto the heat sealer. Just addressing some of the concerns you mentioned.

I don't think we're at odds at all, I honestly appreciate your feedback, and just yesterday placed a Uline order for the new boxes and shield inserts. I do mainly sell sps, but also sell zoas and feel this is a preferred method. I'll do some testing on heat and cold transfers. I'll further look into where to get what was mentioned in the video, foam sheet cell solid variety. If anyone has a link, Pls share.
 
Sorry I missed that part about the temps. The reason I was asking is someone asked me to ship some sps, zoas and a chalice but his low temps were around 1-20 at night. I was hoping for closer to 30 for the low. So you think above 10-15 degrees is somewhat safe?
 
I have to ship a frag from Iowa to Florida. My concern is that when the package gets to Florida it will overheat from the heat pack. Is this a valid concern?
 
Reality is the heat pack consumes all the air in the box, and the small hole is enough to keep the heat pack barely warm. I don't have a crystal ball, but I'd think there would be a problem.
 
So last month I shipped a package out and had a problem, where I had to go pick up the box I had sent, unpack it, after the box had sat at the FedEx facility all night. The following week these corals were repackaged, and reshipped with no problem. Also, for the first time, I had to ship a coral package in state, and learned a lot from that too. Here are my notes.

It was an experience (hope one not to have to do again) on unpacking one of my own shipments. First though, the story: My FedEx Priority Express drop off time is 6:00 pm. I target to get the package there between 5-5:30 which allows me time if any issues should arise during packaging. In this case, I was there and tendered the coral package at 5:15, no problem, right? Wrong. There were signs that I now know - should have been red flags, but those signs didn't cross me as odd at the time. BOTTOM LINE: Ask the clerk: Priority Express shipments didn't leave for the airport yet for the day - Right? This ensures the express truck did not get there early that day, as that was the root cause of this whole issue. In a nut shell, the express truck had passed by an hour early, and the employee tendering my package apparently didn't know. Further, as I explained on the first page of notes, you print your own shipping label so the clerk shouldn't be printing and sticking anything onto your box. If they are, RED FLAG, ask what they are doing. In my case, it was a new label, with a new priority tag. This was a Thursday, a package delivery for Friday by 1200pm (not 1030 which is something else I need to explore why). Anyhow, the new label said Monday... Which I doubt any of the corals would have arrived alive. Again, I didn't think a new label was odd and got my receipt, and left. Went home and added the buyers and my email address to the routing tracking number via the FedEx site. Still at this point, nothing seemed odd or wrong; not until the next morning. I normally have a few emails showing the movement of the package, for me in Denver, it usually always goes through Tennessee. Point being I knew something was off as there were no updates. I left for work (damn job getting in the way of my hobby again) and while at work, I looked online to see the package seemed to be at the first point drop off location. I called FedEx, and they said I missed the drop off time. I knew that was wrong and after explaining, they agreed and called the facility while I was on hold. They came back and told me the truck came early because there was forecasted inclamental weather in Denver. It was cold, but we didn't have snow but again, no one told me and I didn't ask. They ensured my package was held and I left to go pickup and unpackage the box. By the time I got there, and got home it was 10am. That's the average time my packages arrive to their destination so I decided to test the water temp of the corals I was unpacking
The corals inside were between 75.4 and 76.6 which is completely fine. Still though, the box didn't leave the closed facility, and it was cold out that night, 20's. Putting another heat pack in the small box I feel is more a risk, but I don't know how much lower the temp would have gone inside the frag water. There isn't an exact science but I've thought if shipping where the temp are between 20-35 deg, of putting a gel pack at the bottom of the box (heated to 80 deg so the heat can slowing resonate). I've never asked anyone to measure the temp but to be honest, I know from getting packages there are enough things for me to worry about and do, measuring temp water isn't one of them.

Shipping in state, I've heard and seen on FedEx site that one day delivery is possible for a large range extending from my city to most of my state, and even into some portions of surrounding states. Shipping ground is a heck of a lot cheaper than priority overnight. However, the fine print is this. Nothing is guaranteed and it can take up to 3 days. UPS was a lot cheaper than FedEx when shipping closer, so through my Shipnex account, I decided to try UPS. All and all it was the same, package and contents got there without a hitch. What I learned was ground is risky, so I don't have the warm fuzzy to trust it. Still, it was only $22 to ship where I normally see between $40-60.
 
Shipping ground is a heck of a lot cheaper than priority overnight. However, the fine print is this. Nothing is guaranteed and it can take up to 3 days.

I just had an issue with Fedex on that one, it took them 6 days to get a package 14 miles even though it was guaranteed to be there overnight. Definitely riskier going that route...
 
I wanted to add, I recently had to ship out two big boxes of corals for trades and it was a PITA with the specimen cups. They're amazing for smaller orders, but if you're packing 20+ corals into a box it's gonna get pretty big... Let's just say I'm back to owning a bag sealer. I prefer the cups for normal shipments since imo the corals get less stressed from floating instead of being squished into the side of a bag, but for 10+ frags a bag sealer is better. Happy to own both now, good options :)
 
I wanted to add, I recently had to ship out two big boxes of corals for trades and it was a PITA with the specimen cups. They're amazing for smaller orders, but if you're packing 20+ corals into a box it's gonna get pretty big... Let's just say I'm back to owning a bag sealer. I prefer the cups for normal shipments since imo the corals get less stressed from floating instead of being squished into the side of a bag, but for 10+ frags a bag sealer is better. Happy to own both now, good options :)

Thanks for the update! I've used some bigger containers with holes cut in the bottom for small colonies which worked well.
 
Any updates on this?
I've been looking at fedex quotes and they range from $90-$120 for a 6x6x6 5lb box 10:30am overnight delivery.
Is this accurate?
It so how are people shipping for $45-$60?
 
Any updates on this?
I've been looking at fedex quotes and they range from $90-$120 for a 6x6x6 5lb box 10:30am overnight delivery.
Is this accurate?
It so how are people shipping for $45-$60?
I heard of suggestions to sign up with shipnex as they often about a third cheaper than FedEx or UPS quotes. I haven't use them personally, but I'm looking to ship some corals in the future and been reading up on suggestions. Hope it helps.

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I heard of suggestions to sign up with shipnex as they often about a third cheaper than FedEx or UPS quotes. I haven't use them personally, but I'm looking to ship some corals in the future and been reading up on suggestions. Hope it helps.

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Thanks I'll look into them
 
I just had an issue with Fedex on that one, it took them 6 days to get a package 14 miles even though it was guaranteed to be there overnight. Definitely riskier going that route...

That is why I use UPS ground. Never miss a beat in the past several years.
 
All, I got out of the hobby in 4/2015 for a lot of reasons. One of which is the hobby turned more into a business as I had large colonies, and couldn't frag fast enough. Yea, poor me. Anyhow, I got back in a few months ago, and now at the receiving end. I had a lot of PMs asking me about shipping, and obviously wasn't plugged into RC when I didn't have a tank. I don't know if anyone ever did a separate post of there are better ways... from getting a few fish orders, I'd say not much changed in 3 yrs.
 
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