Hybrid clown experiment
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elegance coral
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We may not be able to breed clowns with damsels, but we may be able to create a much larger clown. The largest dog tipped the scales at around 286lbs. There are no wolfs that get even close to this. If cross breeding can be sucessful between clown fish species, it would give us a huge gene pool to choose from. There is no way of knowing what's possible until we try it, and until someone can come up with a logical reason why it shouldn't be tried, I will continue this experiment.
rlf_racing
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Correct me if I am wrong wasn't the dog a mastiff breed or was it an irish wolfhound. I have a hard time remembering. Just wondering how could you be able to create a larger clownfish (say larger than the maroon) when the parents are small to medium size?
rlf_racing
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So how is this possible when the largest clown is the maroon (which max out around 7")? I would like to see supersized clowns, say at or above 10".
elegance coral
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I'm not trying to say that this time next year we can have monster clown fish. Through selective breeding, in time, we should be able to create larger clowns, if that's the goal. All clowns are not created equal. Within the same species there are some that will reach a size slightly larger than average. If these clowns are breed exclusively, their offspring should get larger. If the genes of the smaller clowns are removed from the equation, they can not restrict the size of the offspring.
We were selectively breeding animals long before we were doing genetic research. We do not need to analyze an animals genetic make up in a lab to be sucessful at selective breeding. Take Border Collies for example. Last I checked AKC ranked them to be the most intelligent breed in America. This didn't happen by chance. If you were a poor sheep herder a couple of thousand years ago, you could not feed a dog that was not smart enough to perform their duties. Only the intelligent dogs earned the right to survive and breed.
We were selectively breeding animals long before we were doing genetic research. We do not need to analyze an animals genetic make up in a lab to be sucessful at selective breeding. Take Border Collies for example. Last I checked AKC ranked them to be the most intelligent breed in America. This didn't happen by chance. If you were a poor sheep herder a couple of thousand years ago, you could not feed a dog that was not smart enough to perform their duties. Only the intelligent dogs earned the right to survive and breed.
sk8rreefgeek
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Okay, update time:
The True perc I bought would just NOT eat. I tried flakes, brine, mysis, pellets, and cyclop-eeze. Just looked at it like it wasn't even there
after about 9 days, I woke up yesterday morning and the little guy was dead on the SB.
I called around all the fish stores looking for another, hoping to get a new one in there before my GF found out. One place had 2 left. So I made the drive, checked em out. They just weren't what I was looking for.
But, a few tanks down, I noticed the fish I've wanted ever since I first saw one....the Gold Striped Maroon!
Oh, what a beast lol. there were 2, different tanks, measuring in at about 2"
I know the risk of these guys, but could NOT resist. Brought the dude home, acclimated him, and the rest is history.
the beginning:
Size comparison:
Within 5-10 minutes, he was hosting!!! super stoked
The big Black/White snapped at him a few times, but calmed down. This morning she looked like she settled down a bit too. I really hope they get along. I know chances of them mating is slim to none, but the bottom line is I finally got a GSM, and I'm very happy
Watching him in that BTA is awesome too, esp while drinkin a cold one
He slept in there all night, it's funny when you just see the tentacles gettin swooshed around, then he pops out randomly
The True perc I bought would just NOT eat. I tried flakes, brine, mysis, pellets, and cyclop-eeze. Just looked at it like it wasn't even there
after about 9 days, I woke up yesterday morning and the little guy was dead on the SB.
I called around all the fish stores looking for another, hoping to get a new one in there before my GF found out. One place had 2 left. So I made the drive, checked em out. They just weren't what I was looking for.
But, a few tanks down, I noticed the fish I've wanted ever since I first saw one....the Gold Striped Maroon!
Oh, what a beast lol. there were 2, different tanks, measuring in at about 2"
I know the risk of these guys, but could NOT resist. Brought the dude home, acclimated him, and the rest is history.
the beginning:
Size comparison:
Within 5-10 minutes, he was hosting!!! super stoked
The big Black/White snapped at him a few times, but calmed down. This morning she looked like she settled down a bit too. I really hope they get along. I know chances of them mating is slim to none, but the bottom line is I finally got a GSM, and I'm very happy
Watching him in that BTA is awesome too, esp while drinkin a cold one
He slept in there all night, it's funny when you just see the tentacles gettin swooshed around, then he pops out randomly
elegance coral
They call me EC
It looks like operation crazy-plan is off to a good start. There is always a risk of hostility when we confine two animals in a small glass box together. I would treat them like I would any other clown pair. A little posturing and chasing in the beginning is normal. If it gets to rough I would separate them. Looks like things are going pretty good so far though. Good luck.
sk8rreefgeek
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lol, ya. I had no intention of this when I put that up. And had no idea I'd be returning with a GSM.
The B&W took over the nem today, I'm thinking about getting one for the other side.
I think I'm out of the experiment....
kinda
elegance coral
They call me EC
Well, I bought some clowns. The two Saddle backs didn't last the night. RIP. I don't know what went wrong with them. This little tomato (Amphiprion frenatus) is doing fine. He eats like a pig. I'm thinking of attempting to pair it with a Clarkii. What do you think?
sk8rreefgeek
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Those are awesome
My two are doing good. They don't fight, so that's good.
My two are doing good. They don't fight, so that's good.
elegance coral
They call me EC
Beautiful couple. Did you have any problems pairing them up?
Earlier in the thread you seemed to be against creating hybred clowns. If this is the case, why would you own one?
elegance coral
They call me EC
How do you think this couple will work out?
sk8rreefgeek
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how bout a FTS?
elegance coral
They call me EC
They're in a standard 10gl tank with a couple of pieces of PVC pipe.
OrionN
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I got them both when they were barely 1 inch long. Did not have any problem pair them up. I wanted to get the white gene to Percula. Just kidding. I will try to raise the baby when the time come just to see how they would turn out. I love the have a clowns with lots of black and white but also bright orange.
I think you got me wrong. I was against calling a child part Asian part Caucasian a hybrid, meaning Caucasian and Asian are not the same species.
As far as I can remember, I never said anything about one should not cross breed fishes or other animals in captivity. I may said some people does not think that this is the right thing to do. For me personally, I don't think that this is a big deal.
Massengill
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The Irish Wolfhound is reportedly the tallest dog in the world (30" 100lbs), but the Scottish Deerhound is also known to achieve 30+ inches and over 100lbs too. While both may have a height advantage in inches at the shoulders over other large dog breeds, it is definitely not the largest. Many breeds weigh in well over what a Wolfhound weighs and almost as tall. Mastiffs, BullMastiffs, Bordeaux, Neopolitans, American Bulldogs, Presa Canarios, Tosa Inu, etc. One could even argue Danes, St Bernards, Newfoundlands, Pyrenes etc could stake claim as the largest dog breed in the world. In my personal opinion, no dog breed comes close to the Tosa Inu (height and weight) as the largest dog in the world. Those dogs, even though they are pretty much worthless, are known to be 28" tall and 200-250lbs on a regular basis. Though a more healthy specimen would probably be 26" and 150lbs. Just like one could argue the Greyhound is the fastest dog breed, others could argue a Saluki (used to catch and kill Gazelle) is faster, and that a Whippet or Borzoi is just as fast as the Greyhound. I've read many arcticles about Greyhounds saying they can reach speeds from as slow as 30mph to as fast as 55mph, similar arcticles say the same thing about Salukis. Sorry to stray from the thread, I saw this and just had to give my input.
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