Hybrid clown experiment

I would think the only possible hybrid combinations would be:

Pink Skunk / Orange Skunk or Skunk
Percula / Oscellaris
Tomato / Cinnamon or Red Saddle
Sebae / Clarkii or Allards
Saddle-back / ?

The two Clowns would have to behave similar and look similar that's for sure to possibly convince the other that each other are pairable. I doubt you could get a Marroon to cross with anything else since it is so different from all other clowns. If you can get a Marroon or a Tomato to cross with a Domino Damsel I want one.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12296780#post12296780 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Massengill
I would think the only possible hybrid combinations would be:

Pink Skunk / Orange Skunk or Skunk
Percula / Oscellaris
Tomato / Cinnamon or Red Saddle
Sebae / Clarkii or Allards
Saddle-back / ?

The two Clowns would have to behave similar and look similar that's for sure to possibly convince the other that each other are pairable. I doubt you could get a Marroon to cross with anything else since it is so different from all other clowns. If you can get a Marroon or a Tomato to cross with a Domino Damsel I want one.
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12291987#post12291987 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
You're kidding right? I would recommend taking a basic class on biology before you start breeding fish.

A species is not defined by appearance but mainly by reproduction. If the two groups do not interbreed because of something in their genetic make-up perhaps A. Percula are not attracted to A. Clarkii, or they breed at different times of year, then they are different species.

If, on the other hand, the two groups would interbreed freely provided only that some external barrier was removed then they are subspecies. Other factors include differences in mating behavior or time and ecological preferences such as water temperature variations.

We as people are not different species just because we look different. The physical appearaces of various races are mainly due to geographical, dietary and other various external dynamics but we are still the same species. I guess you might say we are subspecies.
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I wasn't actually looking for an answer to the question. It was a poor attempt to get a point across.
We do not fully understand how closely related all the different clown fish types are. If there are different clown fish that can produce fertile offspring, then allowing them to mate would be no different than humans from different parts of the world mating. Regardless of what label we put on them.

"We as people are not different species just because we look different. The physical appearances of various races are mainly due to geographical, dietary and other various external dynamics "
What do you think caused clown fish to take on different appearances?
 
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Interesting . . . obviously the Oscellaris was tank bred since it is a "black" color variety. I wonder if the Marroon was also a captive bred specimen too, more than likely it was. It doesn't suprise me an Oscellaris was involved, they are just a false Percula. Plus people have been getting weird color combinations with them like crazy. If you had any success I would think all the parents would have to be captive raised specimens, not wild caught. Anything is possible I suppose, look at what happens in freshwater fish, especially with the clownfsih and damselfish closely related cousins . . . Cichlids. Blood-Parrots, Flowerhorns etc. Convicts have been known to cross with just about anything from Firemouths, Red Devils, Texas and so-on and so forth. I've seen Texas/Managuenses too. I have even heard of people crossing Platys with Swords and Guppies with Mollies for that matter. Many species of Africans hybridize all the time. Afras, Zebras, Peacocks, Hap, Haps with Peacocks. I would assume you could have some success at cross breeding some chromis and damsels too. Anything captive bred could probably be hybridized with species of other captive raised specimens. More and more Blood Parrots are reproducing in captivity now, at one time they were considerred infertile. Theyare even cross breeding them with other species of cichlid, like Convicts to make Dwarf Jellybean Cichlids.

With enough time and patience anything is possible I suppose. There was a university in Texas that successfully acclmated either a Mayan or Black belt Cichlid to full strength salt water. I have also heard of people acclimating some Damsels/Chromis to brackish water. Someone in China reportedly has developed a saltwater species of Blood Parrot.
 
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That's awesome! A maroon and blk occ. So my 'shot in the dark' hybrid suggestion of a blk occ and a GBM may not be too far off...

Also, I realized last night that I had already begun this thread's 'experiment' as I have 1 blk occ, and 1 true perc. And 1 BTA that is ready to host...

The true perc was added on sunday. So far they have interacted a little bit, and haven't faught at all (as far as I know, I'm at work all day, need to set up a webcam lol)
 
I will get in on this subject.

I will get in on this subject.

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And if I am not mistaken there is only two true different clown species. 1st. is Amphiprion and the 2nd is Premnas. So this is a possibilty with what you are wanting to do. I say go for it.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12291398#post12291398 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by phender
I would start with the hybrids that "may" occur in nature.
A. nigripes x A. bicinctus = A. chagos (sp?)
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is that a known fact?
i had wondered about that even suggested it on one of my first rareclownfish.com postings. my doubts had been from reports of A. chagosensis in the northern red sea. reason being that i'm of the understanding not much makes it from the southern red sea to the northern red sea. the south is shallow/warmer temps, lacking cooler deeperwater for pelagic stages (and fish) to pass thru without being easy pickings. but i've also read reports of A. bicinctus presents at chagos Is. too.
at any rate i have a solitary 4" ora tank bred A. nigripes which i've been wanting to pair but can't bring myself around to buying wild caught.
tank bred A. bicinctus are available so i could try to pair one with the nigripes however doesn't sound like it'll work if the A. nigripes is now female. it's always been the only clownfish in the aquarium, what are the chances that its still a alpha male or less?
 
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Yep, thats MY opinion and i said it in MY thread..

Here is what i think of Hybridization!

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12303963#post12303963 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by marc price
is that a known fact?
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It just seemed likely to me. I was thinking that I had noticed that it wasn't included on the "newer" lists of clownfish species, but I could be wrong.
I don't have my books with me right now, but I think that both bicinctus and nigripes occur in the Chagos Islands and then there is this rare species (chagosensis) that has characteristics of both. It just seems a little obvious.
 
:lol: clownreef, that's just wrong!

Ev1's gettin all technical on this thing, I say toss some different clowns together and see what happens...
 
That's what I am scream'n. Get 4 tank raised juvenile Pink Skunks and 4 Bubble-tip Anemones and divide them up in a 40gal long. Then drop a tank raised juvenile Maroon, Ocellaris/Perc, Tomato/Cinnamon, Saddle-back in with each and see what happens.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12305891#post12305891 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sk8rreefgeek
haha. Not 8 clowns in a 40g, but you get the idea :blown:
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That's exactly what I plan on doing. Without the explosion though. I will divide the 40 long into 4 equal sections. I have the dividers, I just need to paint them. I don't want the pairs to be able to see the pair next to them. I will start with the youngest fish I can find. I want the tank to be small enough that it forces the fish to interact. If the tank is to large, the fish may just set up house on different sides of the tank. I have two tanks up and running now that don't have clowns in them. If problems break out, it will be easy to move the fish to safety. I will most likely get two RBTA's for two of the pairs. I have two LTA's that I will use for the other two pairs. I will eventually find new homes for the LTA's and use all RBTA's.
 
ahhhh, I see. My 55 might be a little big for my two subjects...

for the dividers, you could buy black acrylic/plexi cut to size at any TAP plastics for pretty cheap, so you wouldn't have to paint it

This will be interesting tho, don't hesitate to post updates!
 
probably kinda late in the thread to say this but....when hybridizing stick within the genus......think about horses....horse+donkey= mule.....horse+zebra= zorse! all of which are in the same genus. some of which are reproductively viable. for all of you against hybridization....take some biology classes and learn what really goes on in nature and take a look in your refrigerator, MANY veggies are hyprids!!!
 
Some people may agree with hybridization and some may not, I dont think this should be discussed in this thread as this is not the question asked. We know that different species of clownfish can produce healthy hybrids, beyond that its your choise what to produce. It would be unethical if most of the fries were born unhealthy, however it has been observed that the fries are born healthy. Hybridization of marine fish is also seen in wild, so its a natural phenomenon. Much more natural than the cats and dogs we keep in our homes.

I think its important to choose the right species if your aim is to produce hybrid clownfish. I have seen maroon-ocellaris hybrid and tomato-ocellaris hybrid. However, they were not appealing and aesthetic.

If you are serious about hybridization I think you should choose an aim. For example your aim might be "black picasso clown" and you can try this by keeping 5 pairs of black ocellaris and picasso clowns. Then, the fries with the best markings and color will make your new pairs.
 
Yeah its to bad that you can't mix a maroon with a gerabaldi damsel to make a supersized clownfish. Now that would be interesting.
 
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