Hydrogen Peroxide - snake oil or miracle cure

[mikecc67548]

There are only 3 methods known to work on ich and rest are all myths.

1. Copper based medicine
2. Hypo Salinity
3. Tank Transfer

Well i can tell you i'm going to be very vigilant about this. I'm in the same club as the OP and the person who treated her fish and the tank with peroxyde. The point being every time ich is mention anywhere its like a war zone , a can of worms, and having a new system on the go i want less posturing and a bit more facts. i've red the sticky posted on RC about ich and it make sense much more than most post i read. Prevention is a biggy too. Spending thousands of $$ on a system and then just dumping things in it without QT them is just reckless in my view. Call it purest, i call it practicle and economics. Miracle cures found in a private home where state of the art labs can't please... put on the thinking caps here. I do whish the best to my college and her tank and hope she saves her tank. But the life cycle of the parasite according to RC sticky is a bit more complex to be irradicated by just one attempt. Its too simple. Time will tell and i'll tell you if she has more ich in the future , i'll post it here to prove that this treatment is bogus.

By all means, yes.

 

[Deinonych]

There are only 3 methods known to work on ich and rest are all myths.

1. Copper based medicine
2. Hypo Salinity
3. Tank Transfer







By all means, yes.

4. Chloroquine phosphate (if you can get your hands on it)

 

[Mudbeaver]

Thats what i'm talking about.

 

[mikecc67548]

4. Chloroquine phosphate (if you can get your hands on it)

Maybe you should shoot user name: bnumair a msg about that. Update the list.


of course if that has some sort of scientific basis.

 

[mikecc67548]

But to answer your question.....a lucky escape

 

[HumbleFish]

Miracle cures found in a private home where state of the art labs can't please... put on the thinking caps here.

No state of the art lab is going to waste time/money searching for a miracle cure for fish parasites. There is absolutely no financial incentive to do so. Nobody in the aquafarming industry would be interested due to it's relative cost. I mean, they would need to treat millions of fish. Same goes for saltwater aquarium fish wholesalers/retailers; the sheer volume of fish they deal with would make it cost prohibitive. And the industry itself is quite content selling us diseased fish, and then little bottles of copper (or snake oil) afterwards to "fix" the problem.

No, my friends, we hobbyists are on our own. If we want to find the next best med, we're gonna have to find it ourselves. CP is the perfect example. It's pretty obvious by now that this stuff works. What it needs now is a push. To convince the aquarium industry of it's worth and there's money to be made by marketing it. Because they are the ones who can get past all the govt. red tape of it being an FDA controlled substance. They make money, and the end user hobbyist has greater access/information on it. I get it - your avg Joe probably isn't comfortable buying some white powder from some guy he doesn't know on ebay. But if it's on a shelf at your favorite LFS; pretty packaging, directions and all... It suddenly becomes legitimate/reliable.

 

[mikecc67548]

The question is -
Is this a lucky escape by attempting a very unproven method or do you think this actually could be the cure we all have been waiting for?

 

[HumbleFish]

The question is -
Is this a lucky escape by attempting a very unproven method or do you think this actually could be the cure we all have been waiting for?

IMO; there's not enough photographic evidence to suggest this fish ever had Ich in the first place.

Even Chuck Norris cannot defeat that which is not actually there.

 

[Mudbeaver]

No state of the art lab is going to waste time/money searching for a miracle cure for fish parasites. There is absolutely no financial incentive to do so. Nobody in the aquafarming industry would be interested due to it's relative cost. I mean, they would need to treat millions of fish. Same goes for saltwater aquarium fish wholesalers/retailers; the sheer volume of fish they deal with would make it cost prohibitive. And the industry itself is quite content selling us diseased fish, and then little bottles of copper (or snake oil) afterwards to "fix" the problem.

No, my friends, we hobbyists are on our own. If we want to find the next best med, we're gonna have to find it ourselves. CP is the perfect example. It's pretty obvious by now that this stuff works. What it needs now is a push. To convince the aquarium industry of it's worth and there's money to be made by marketing it. Because they are the ones who can get past all the govt. red tape of it being an FDA controlled substance. They make money, and the end user hobbyist has greater access/information on it. I get it - your avg Joe probably isn't comfortable buying some white powder from some guy he doesn't know on ebay. But if it's on a shelf at your favorite LFS; pretty packaging, directions and all... It suddenly becomes legitimate/reliable.

WHOO slow down here, no money? get real, all that stuff they sell us you think they come up with this in the shower or between coffee breaks at the movies? Did you ever go to MACNA? The new fad LED systems and all the new protein skimmers is not derivative technology of cars or air planes they're made for us. So i don't buy you spychotic arguments.This isn't the 30's anymore information travels and the first one to get that great cure will make millions, so i think the labs are on it, since it one of the biggest probelms of are hobby. Its not marginal and as i said lots of BS floating around it. I stick to the facts not blind hopes.

 

[Dmorty217]

They could be skin damage from Ich cysts, or the beginnings of a bacterial infection, or stress marks... or any number of other things. My first impression was actually HLLE... but I've never seen HLLE clear up that fast.

+1 this was my thoughts exactly when looking at the picture

 

[AQD_ottawa]

+1 this was my thoughts exactly when looking at the picture

You are thinking in my area now. H-peroxide is a strong anti bacterial agent, my feelings are that the fish had a secondary bacterial infection, once cleared the fish immune system kicked the small amount of Ich back to base, but not eradicating it.

 

[Dmorty217]

Mudbeaver news flash this hobby wasn't born yesterday and there still isn't this cure you speak about. There isn't millions in it anyway. There is "reef safe food" with CP in it and it WORKS but guess what they aren't making millions. There isn't money in what you speak of, the money is in selling fish and equipment. If fish never get disease and die, their buisness model doesn't work. Public aquariums are what we as hobbiest have as a best hope for cutting edge, new disease treatment

 

[mikecc67548]

So OP is down with lucky escape by attempting a very unproven method?

 

[Deinonych]

Maybe you should shoot user name: bnumair a msg about that. Update the list.


of course if that has some sort of scientific basis.

It does: http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2013/2/fish

 

[mikecc67548]

It does: http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2013/2/fish

Takes care of your Aiptasia too.

 

[Dmorty217]

So OP is down with lucky escape by attempting a very unproven method?

Unproven maybe... But logically it makes sense. Hypo is the most unproven of all, not to mention difficulty for the "not so experienced", point is are you just looking to argue?

 

[Mudbeaver]

Mudbeaver news flash this hobby wasn't born yesterday and there still isn't this cure you speak about. There isn't millions in it anyway. There is "reef safe food" with CP in it and it WORKS but guess what they aren't making millions. There isn't money in what you speak of, the money is in selling fish and equipment. If fish never get disease and die, their buisness model doesn't work. Public aquariums are what we as hobbiest have as a best hope for cutting edge, new disease treatment

First i never said their was a cure, i'm very sckeptical of any found in a home aquarium by an obscure persone with no EDUCATION in the field.

Second This Hobby IS NEW! Before the 80's most aquariums failed miserably, fish died all the time and very few success, and big municipal quariums just replaced fishes with new one , so yes the technology is new, skimmers are very new, google it and you'll have the dates. And money, why do think they make MACNA and other shows and conventions to entertain you . Naive people and a new born every day. I believe in facts. thats what i'm talking about with ich and any thread that talks about it.... a can of worms with uneducated people trowing things up in the air. Their is not cure and its not going to happen in your little aquarium at home with your little minds. Its going to take serious research in labs not in someones home's pharmacy.

 

[mikecc67548]

Unproven maybe... But logically it makes sense. Hypo is the most unproven of all, not to mention difficulty for the "not so experienced", point is are you just looking to argue?

Nope. Just answering the question asked,I got you down for think this actually could be the cure we all have been waiting for?

 

[mikecc67548]

First i never said their was a cure, i'm very sckeptical of any found in a home aquarium by an obscure persone with no EDUCATION in the field.

Second This Hobby IS NEW! Before the 80's most aquariums failed miserably, fish died all the time and very few success, and big municipal quariums just replaced fishes with new one , so yes the technology is new, skimmers are very new, google it and you'll have the dates. And money, why do think they make MACNA and other shows and conventions to entertain you . Naive people and a new born every day. I believe in facts. thats what i'm talking about with ich and any thread that talks about it.... a can of worms with uneducated people trowing things up in the air. Their is not cure and its not going to happen in your little aquarium at home with your little minds. Its going to take serious research in labs not in someones home's pharmacy.

So in answer to the question we got you down with lucky escape by attempting a very unproven method?

 

[mikecc67548]

Mudbeaver news flash this hobby wasn't born yesterday and there still isn't this cure you speak about.

Maybe not, maybe you side with lucky escape by attempting a very unproven method? I can't tell.......So confused....Why wasnt a poll included?