I don't know why my Flame Wrasse and Rhomboid Wrasse died

[Ruskin]

Though your tank looks nice you are WAY over stocked. It's not the fact that you are trying to feed them enough. It's all the aggression becuase of the confinement. Not to get all "Tang Police" on you but your tank is too small for one tang let alone 2. I wouldnt doubt if the yellow tang was bullying the new additions.
Just becuase they survive doesnt mean they are thriving.

You seem to care about the fish, or you wouldnt have come here to find out what happened. Do them and yourself a favour and stop adding more! That and relocate some of your other fish until you can have that big tank you want. Not having a large tank now doesnt make it right that you go out and stock your 50 like it was a 250.

Again, im not trying to be a jerk, and im not one of those people to say something negative about someone who obviously enjoys the hobby. You are just making things worse for yourself and the inhabitants of your tank by grossly overstocking your tank.

 

[LargeAngels]

I'm with zemuron114 on the temp. issue also. Deeper water fish also seem to do much better for me kept at cooler temps.

 

[jmaneyapanda]

Are we saying temp spike, or high temps? I keep a trio of flame wrasses that my temp rarely goes below 80, and they are thriving.

The biggest thing Im having an issue with right now (regarding this post), is that this guys mother has been caring for the tank. No offense to him or her, but any and all observations are out the window. Personally I think that tank was way overstocked with non-compatible fish for a tank that size, and stress and aggression played a significant, if not ultimate role.

I know flukes are real and dangerous, but it seems to be the ailment du jour recently. If anything dies- its flukes. I dont really buy it as readily as others.

 

[zemuron114]

strictly my opinion - deeper water fish should be kept below 80 degrees long term. Temp spikes are no good for any fish, but will almost certainly kill many deeper water fish.

Hot hot is your tank jmaney? Hawaii water temps are cooler then almost all other collection points so flame wrasse of any other deep water fish should be kept in cooler temps IMO. Naturally they are found in cooler water but it doesn't mean they can't thrive in warmer, but for safety sake i would keep it below 80 (for any tank).

i honestly believe that is why a lot of people lose their fish - temp reasons...

regarding this thread - you seem to be overstocked as previously suggested. I would personally remove the yellow as he is probably the bully of the tank (correct me if im wrong) that hippo looks cramped as well. Maybe try smaller fish and remove the tangs?

 

[taithao35]

Once again, thanks a lot for all the responses and constructive criticisms.

 

[jmaneyapanda]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12258734#post12258734 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zemuron114
strictly my opinion - deeper water fish should be kept below 80 degrees long term. Temp spikes are no good for any fish, but will almost certainly kill many deeper water fish.

Hot hot is your tank jmaney? Hawaii water temps are cooler then almost all other collection points so flame wrasse of any other deep water fish should be kept in cooler temps IMO. Naturally they are found in cooler water but it doesn't mean they can't thrive in warmer, but for safety sake i would keep it below 80 (for any tank).

i honestly believe that is why a lot of people lose their fish - temp reasons...

regarding this thread - you seem to be overstocked as previously suggested. I would personally remove the yellow as he is probably the bully of the tank (correct me if im wrong) that hippo looks cramped as well. Maybe try smaller fish and remove the tangs?

My tank is rarely at 82 and 78. It usually hovers between 79 and 81. I have had my trio for going on 9 months, and they have only grwon and become more rambunctious. I am certainly NOT claiming long term success, but simply that they are thriving at 80ish. That being said, I agree wholeheartedly taht coller water fish will do BETTER at cooler temps, but I dont think this emans they cant do very well when warmer, as you mentioned.

 

[zemuron114]

i agree as well, but it changes their metabolism, so if you feed a lot they will be fine, i think.

you have a nice trio. Does your tank ever spike? I had a huge spike in my 180 gallon and lost 3 rhomboids, 5 flame wrasse, 3 helfrich, 2 balteatus, 2 mccoskers, and juvi goldflake. I was P!ssed. but it went to 78 from 86 in a few hours so it was bound to kill the fish. Not to mentioned it hovered around 85 for a couple weeks. I am going to get a chiller before adding any other fish of any kind!!

 

[jmaneyapanda]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12262303#post12262303 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zemuron114
i agree as well, but it changes their metabolism, so if you feed a lot they will be fine, i think.

you have a nice trio. Does your tank ever spike? I had a huge spike in my 180 gallon and lost 3 rhomboids, 5 flame wrasse, 3 helfrich, 2 balteatus, 2 mccoskers, and juvi goldflake. I was P!ssed. but it went to 78 from 86 in a few hours so it was bound to kill the fish. Not to mentioned it hovered around 85 for a couple weeks. I am going to get a chiller before adding any other fish of any kind!!

Arguably a temp spike like that would kill a lot of fish- deeper water or not. I would imagine that oxygen levels would get very low without excessive attention to surplus oxygenation.

BTW- I feed the heck out of my tank.

 

[jasony816]

didnt mean to bring up an old thread but since there are some flame wrasse experts here I have a question. I have a trio however the male wrasse has like a film/mucus near the end of the take and dorsal fins, almost looking like the scales are coming off, but not really, could it be fungus/baterial/parasites? Its eating eating and swimming and not breathing heavily. I dont know what is wrong, or what to do about it, I already have a QT setting up and should be ready soon, however I am not sure what to do yet and dont want to strees out the fish if it doesnt need to be transferred to QT thanks.