ich and main tank????

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15544562#post15544562 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by loyalrogue
To advocate not using quarantine and treatment because aquarists' may not have perfect habits is the equivalent of saying a condom has a chance of breaking so why bother using one with that stranger you just met?
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I'm not advocating it I'm being realistic. One hiccup with quarenteen and all is wasted. Same can be said for treatment.
Not to mention treatment in reality(all I'm concerned with) is quite a daunting task.

Have YOU read this. Along the same lines.

http://reefkeeping.com/joomla/index.php/current-issue/article/7-paul-baldassanos-40-year-old-reef
 
when will they ever have a cure for this stuff its so frustrating.. I love my fish and want to keep them healthy but when u have a full reef its very hard to take everything apart... why all of a sudden after 3 months in a quarantine with hypo and with meds then in the main tank for at least 3 months am I having an issue
 
maybe it wasnt completely gone as i said but I did careful observation and treatments to ensure it was gone I guess one can really know if is totally eradicated outta of ur fish its like playing russian roulette
 
We used no sick fish when we had a outbreak of ick. It was when we had our old tank. We had alot of softies but no high end coral. I have to say the ick was gone off the fish and what coral we had was not affected.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15545182#post15545182 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by flameangel9
I'm not advocating it I'm being realistic. One hiccup with quarenteen and all is wasted. Same can be said for treatment.
Not to mention treatment in reality(all I'm concerned with) is quite a daunting task.

Have YOU read this. Along the same lines.

http://reefkeeping.com/joomla/index.php/current-issue/article/7-paul-baldassanos-40-year-old-reef
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Not so. Eradication of ich is quite realistic and not difficult at all.

Don't let the tail wag the dog. Eradication of ich is practically necessary and the aquarist plans around it.
 
There are a couple of cures for ich, You just can't use them in the dispaly if you have LR or invertabrates. See those above links to how to cure it.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15545182#post15545182 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by flameangel9
I'm not advocating it I'm being realistic. One hiccup with quarenteen and all is wasted. Same can be said for treatment.
Not to mention treatment in reality(all I'm concerned with) is quite a daunting task.

Have YOU read this. Along the same lines.

http://reefkeeping.com/joomla/index.php/current-issue/article/7-paul-baldassanos-40-year-old-reef
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Flame I'm not sure how this link supports your stance. To quote Paul
"Ich, aaaaaaaaahhhhhg!! Yes, that's the sound some people make when they see it. Of course, I believe fish in breeding condition will hardly be afflicted with it. But it is extremely easy to cure, and I do not know why so much ink is wasted on teaching us how to cure it. We now have liquid copper that will cure it in a few days. In my earlier days we once used pennies, but I won't go into that.

There are rumors that copper affects a fish's liver. I don't really know, but before there were captive reefs, our fish were not very healthy and everything had ich. We would always keep copper in the tank. I had hippo tangs live ten years, and, for many of those years, the fish was swimming in copper-treated water. Aquarists now like to use hyposalinity treatments. Yes, that works, but ich can kill a fish in just a couple of days - hyposalinity techniques takes weeks. In the end, the ich usually wins. This is just my opinion."

While Paul does not personnely advocate quarintine he does post the following.
"All newcomers to this hobby should quarantine everything, even rocks. If I started a new tank tomorrow with new water and gravel, I would definitely have to quarantine. It takes time, sometimes years, for a tank to become mature and fully cycled."

Now if you look at the article in full you will see that Paul does advocate the treatment of fish with copper if needed and also the strong diet/water change schedule that he uses to keep his fish in "breeding shape." I agree with both of you that the better the condition of a fish the more likely they are to resist any infection but once a fish is sick I side with Paul and other on the use of copper as the effective means of eradicating ick.
 
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ajolie30 please read the link posted here and remember that you can try fish traps before you go tearing the live rock and coral out of your system to catch the fish. (proper baiting is the key to using any fish trap and the willingness to continually remove snails)

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15540101#post15540101 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Poeticlydead
You are not going to get all the inverts out and the micro inverts (pods etc..) will die do the sudden change in salinity. Hypo isn't all ways proven to rid you of ich fyi.

Good luck with the battle I hope you come out ok.

By the way you don't have to tear the tank down to get the fish out most people have great luck with a baited DIY fish trap (assuming the fish are still eating).

I would suggest you look at Waterkeepers post http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1500214&highlight=Ich
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Paul said:

"We now have liquid copper that will cure it in a few days."

I agree copper cures ick.

"Aquarists now like to use hyposalinity treatments. Yes, that works, but ich can kill a fish in just a couple of days - hyposalinity techniques takes weeks. In the end, the ich usually wins."

I agree

"I believe fish in breeding condition will hardly be afflicted with it."

My point exactly! How do we get them there? Good water good food.

While Paul does not personnely advocate quarintine .

Hmmm.....

"All newcomers to this hobby should quarantine everything, even rocks. If I started a new tank tomorrow with new water and gravel, I would definitely have to quarantine. It takes time, sometimes years, for a tank to become mature and fully cycled."

Few and I mean few will do this to the letter, anything less is worthless and a waste of time.

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Nice looking tangs.

I agree with your post above the only point I was making is you are apperantly advocating not treating in favor of water changes and food.

I advocate water changes and food as the preventive measure and copper the go to when an outbreak does accure. As in all things mechanical a little preventive maitenace goes a long way and the same works with living creatures.

Now my question to you is what do you feed the fish and on what schedule?
Secondly do you soak or supplement your food with anything?

This information maybe what the OP needs to prevent this in the future as for his outbreak right now we have presented all the opinions, links and backround that is needed to help them make an informed decision.

flameangel9 thanks for the responce :)
:p watch out for the tang police:p
 
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I feed Nori daily with a mixture of mysis, clam,squid,krill, garlic and formula 2 at night. Not all of them but whatever I decide to mix up. But I am in search of the fish oil and black california worms Paul mentioned.
Tang police? I love trouble, don't I?
 
one time i had a tang get ick really bad and i threw in a couple of cleaner wrasse and quit messing with the tank so much and in no time it was gone. dont know about all the other stuff.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15547738#post15547738 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jbomar3771
one time i had a tang get ick really bad and i threw in a couple of cleaner wrasse and quit messing with the tank so much and in no time it was gone. dont know about all the other stuff.
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Cleaner Wrasses as well as shrimp can't get to the active infection though they may eat some of the cysts falling off the fish. They cannot cure ich and can at best relieve some pressure. Most of the situations where you add a cleaner and see an improvement it is the fish's own immune system fighting it back to sub-clinical levels.
 
Hey Ajolie30 just to let you know i use this product called "No Sick Fish" and today is day 7 of the treatment and my tank has like 1 spot on him and he was covered last weekend and none of the other fish have any symptoms. All of my SPS LPS and inverts are alive and doing well. Only thing i lost in the last 2 weeks was a few hitchhiker crabs i think my wrasse killed. Check it out the 60 bucks is well worth not ripping your tank apart and there are tons of testimonials on the product. My LFS owner used it on his 400 DT to prove to his customers it works.
 
You have mentioned dipping corals to make sure they don't import ich into your tanks. Dip in WHAT and how would this protect you from ich?

thanks!! I plan to be ich free from now on, so I need to know this.
 
You don't dip corals to protect from Ich.
To make sure that you don't accidentally import an unhatched Ich cyst into your tank with coral you will need to either:

A) Quarantine the coral in a fishless tank for 4-6 weeks until any cysts have hatched and died, or

B) Snap or cut the living coral from the base and attach to a new, dry base. The reason that a coral can transport Ich is because the parasite may be encysted on the non-living base that the coral is attached to.
 
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