"ICH FREE TANK" Quest Begins

Yes, let me clarify/correct. I had the YT about a week, gradually lowered to hypo levels. On day 23 (not 28) of hypo, I saw some spots. It's now day 35, still in hypo. Time will tell.
 
patience good , yes. When I treat a fish with ich, I don't mess around, not saying you guys do, but I go straight for the copper. I use coppersafe, and its pretty dead on when going by the instructions, I test it with saliferts copper test , the only one to known to work. During the 1st week or two during the copper treatment, which is 2-3 weeks, I also use maracyn plus, good for bacterial infections. I almost lost a supermale lineautus wrasse due to some bacterial infection. He was not eating, breating really really heavy, two days later he was back eating. What ever it had also killed off two other fairy wrasses of mine in like two days. It was soo quick, I'm glad I was able to save him. I treated him and a desjardini tang at the same time in a 10 gal. QT tank. FWIW , I've used coppersafe on my PB tang, sailfin, wrasses, all with good results. I will only use that from now. I've tried the cupramine, and did'nt like it.
 
I used Cupramine a few times. My probs with copper:

When I bring a new fish home, they seem to have trouble adapting and acclimating when I have a bare tank. The PVC pipe thing never seems to work, the fish sit in a corner and die. When I put CC in the tank, some small rocks, and make it more realistic, the fish seem to do a lot better. So this kinds prevents copper (which would be absorbed in the CC & rock).

Another issue - the fish seems to drastically lose their appetite with copper. It's pretty rough on fish. but if it does work for you, that's great!
 
yeah, i've did'nt have a problem with them eating, but I do ramp up the copper dose over a few days instead of all at once.
 
Guys, what's the longest one can safely have a fish in hypo? My tang is starting to look ratty, it's been 35 days at 1.085. Not sure what's wrong with him, the water quality is good.
 
I did my hypo for 9 weeks with no ill effects. i think you could even go longer as long as you arent doing this for like 5-6 months.
Is your tang still showing signs of ich after 5 weeks in hypo?
 
if you havent seen it since day 21, I would go with 6 weeks from day 21. That should put you at 9 weeks, if you want to go 2 extra weeks you should be fine.

You say he's looking ratty, how big is he? What size tank is he in? what are you feeding him? what else is in the tank?
 
Yea, I also went 9 weeks, and that was at 1.008. Nobody ever showed signs of distress.

What do you mean by "ratty"? Are the fins looking tattered? could there be any aggression going on in the QT? Bacterial infection?

Good luck.


Personally I'm holding my breath, I saw what could have been a spot on my rabbit fish a few days ago. It's been a long time since I treated, I hope I'm in the clear??

jk
 
Fins looked a little ragged yesterday. Biggest concern though is the tang is so lethargic, hardly eats at all. The only other fish is a tiny 1" blue yellowtail damsel, he doesn't bother the tang. I guess I kinda resigned myself to the fact that the tang isn't going to make it. Don't know why though.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7611349#post7611349 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by guitarfish
I kinda resigned myself to the fact that the tang isn't going to make it. Don't know why though.
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i think with many attempts to cure fish of disease/parasites you need to determine if you will go through with the selected course of treatment to completion regardless of how the fish reacts. if it makes it through great, if not, then it was meant to die anyway.

bottom line..some fish will react better to various treatments..
and if the fish is not tolerating it, then it should be discontinued.

if i were you, i would get the water back to as normal as you can and see if the fish improves. it may be deteriorating irregardless of tank conditions..but you should attempt to find out.
good luck man....
 
I'VE HAD IT !

Well folks, I'm giving up on hyposalinity treatment. A couple years ago I read that a hypo-resistant strain of ich had been identified in the wild, and I believe that's what’s in my QT.

First let me say that I have successfully eradicated ich with hyposalinity treatment twice in the past, so I know how it's supposed to work, and I had confidence, and I advocated it to others enthusiastically. Not anymore.

I was unsuccessful doing hypo on a coral beauty some months back. I concluded I must not have monitored things well enough, and switched to copper. (Unfortunately, a broken heater cooked the fish before I could finish the treatment).

Starting again, in May I added a small yellow tang and a smaller blue yellowtail damsel to my 20g QT. Since my previous attempt failed, I decided to treat the fish at an SG level of 1.008-1.085. I use a refractometer, calibrated with RO water, to measure the SG.

At day 21, spots appeared on the tang. I continued the hypo treatment, checking the SG daily. Now, at day 45, more spots are on both fish.

Ich is clearly reproducing in my QT in hyposaline conditions, and with apparent ease. What else can I conclude? I’m 100% certain the SG never got any higher than 1.009 during the 45 day span.

This is not good, not by any means. I'm not sure what's next, but this parasite is driving me from this hobby.
 
don't let it drive you out brother, i know where youre coming from. Use the coppersafe with confidence. Get a salifer Cu test kit for it too. I put all my fish in coppersafe, to play it safe.
 
difficult to say exactly what could be going on there..i too had difficulty eradicating strain(s) in my system with hypo.

after 6 weeks and you continue to see evidence of the parasite it may indeed be time to move onto the only proven remedy remaining. treat/monitor for another 6-7 weeks.

this is one of the reasons why i will be pre-treating with therapeutic copper levels in QT. if something shows up, full treatement.
 
Well, you guys know my experiences with all the "reef safe" meds and also performing Hyposalinity down to 1.009, 1.008, & 1.007 more than once since Sept. '05.

Only method that has worked for me is Cupramine at 28+ days.

Good luck guys.
 
pecan, what level do you keep the Cupramine at? Do you notice any side effects? I've done it twice, once on a yellow tang, once on a coral beauty. In both cases I've observed the fish become VERY lethargic and eat only 1/4 of what they used to. That's why I when with hypo.

Also - what test kit do you use with Cupramine?

Thanks!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7630439#post7630439 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Triggerfish
best to use the manuf test kits for their products.
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That's what I assumed, but I have not been able to get a reading on Seachem Cupramine with Seachem's copper test. I bought the test b/c all I had was an old Aquarium Systems kit that I thought was giving me false high readings after multiple water changes. Got out the new one next time I decided to treat a Q tank --had already dosed it!--and could not get a positive reading at all! I have the Salifert kit on order and it had better come pretty soon because I'm flying blind here.
 
I read in another thread that Seachem has had a lot of problems with their test kits, and that someone was using the Res Sea kit with good success.
 
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