innovative aquarium concept

[poissonist]

after many article about ethanol/acetat/ pure calcium i now give you a new concept of reef aquarium.cheap/efficient)

i now go to run a new tank and i want a 2 METERS long but i want to stay in classic sizes.

if it is equipped for reefing i saw like all of you it cost a lot because we need decantation and holes in the tank etc etc.

i feel not motivated to spend 15 000 euros this way so this is what i am going to do:

i buy a classic tank 2meters long (RENA) with furniture.

i equip it with HQI AND live rocks pumps etc.

And there is a new filtration system used for ponds (SEE THE BRAND OASE) which i describ fast.

it is a box about 1 METER LONG and 50 cm large and high. inside there is a kind of special net/carpet to filter sediments which move with a little electric motor and just after it collect all the sediments.it is very efficient!

AFTER you have many big sponges of 2 granulometries which retain and filter and to finish in the last compartment where you can put a lot of zeolith or carbon or what you want.

The interest of this system is that you put this filter not under the tank but above! you put circulation pump inside your tank and it comes back to your tank by gravity.

To avoid noise you use big hose and put it under your tank level.
Also water is collected at the surface of tank (where lipids/and organic matter accumulate) thanks to a special "skimmer"(oase).

When you clean your filter you have a special tool to compress the sponges. it is fast and well done. there is a tap to throw away waste water of the filter. it is easy to collect and throw away since it is above the aquarium!

As we see technic improves and it is interesting not to consider decantation only below aquarium.which is very expensive.

of course i will have an external skimmer and other equipments and below my tank a lot of place for other optional machines....like climatisation, dosing pumps etc

if one day you change tank remember you can save 10 000 EUROS AND USE IT FOR NEW ROCKS AND ANIMALS AND BIGGER SKIMMER AND MANY OTHER OPTIONAL MACHINES ETC ETC!!!!!

 

[Icefire]

a sump cost almost nothing as well as drill bit for glass.

Also that system for a reef is junk, nitrate factory like bioballs.

 

[poissonist]

this message for people using advanced method as alcool/actetat/calcium and who want to maintaain a big bio load.

 

[poissonist]

also it is a big (fatal) error to believe an aquarium only work with live rocks!

for reeffing many corals and fishes at the same time you need to use advanced method......

it is a pity that so many reefers believe only berlin method because they can only maintain few animals in unsafe conditions!
of course they can have plenty corals.

 

[billsreef]

Actually it is very easy to maintain animals in safe and healthy conditions using simple methods. Probably safer than some of the "advanced" methods that don't have much margin for error.

 

[aggie4231]

I have no problem with my reef tank. I don't run a skimmer(took it off in Jan.) I don't test my water. Use a little carbon in a phosphate reactor. I do use a refugium though. I believe that I run a tank about as simple as it gets. Plus my tank is virtually a natural ecosystem. I only do a water change about every 2 weeks and that is maybe 10 gallons on a 58. my tank sure is simple, just feed the tank, top-off, and add two-part Ca/Alk every couple of days.

 

[zoozimmy]

wow

 

[poissonist]

hello as usual i do little provocation!WHICH MEAN MANY PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND ME BECAUSE I AM TOO FAR OF WHAT THEY KNOW!

as i said before berlin method plus skimmer is not safe at all for animals if you want to keep many fishes plus corals in the tank.
Welcome in the 21 century!

why? because only live rocks can provide filtration and skimmer throw away organic matter before you get nitrates etc etc.it works only for a few fishes for 100 LITERS BUT FORTUNATLY FOR AS MUCH CORALS ONE WANT!

when you put more than 20 FISHES per 100 LITERS YOU ENTER IN A NEW AQUARIUM DIMMENSION!SPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET 500 FISHES FOR 1000 LITERS AND EVEN MUCH MORE! AND AT THE SAME TIME HUNDREDS OF CORALS!

Explication:

You need to feed your live rocks with alcool/acetat etc etc because without you get letal levels of nitrates and phosphates for corals and fishes also.
Also you get a lot of sediments.incredible quantities! because you feed many times during a day! which drives crazy the berlin method poor guys!

Solution as i said is to use alcool etc and to avoid to use hundreds kilos of lived rocks(as i did before) it becomes evident to use special pond filter(oase).

Sediments are collected with a moving net and bacteria both aerobi and ananerobi developp inside plus special compartment for zeolith or other stones for bacteria. YOU CAN BOOST THE FILTER WITH AIR PUMPS FOR PONDS ( each give 2000 LITERS/HOUR AIR! AND PUT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!)

of course you need to feed your filter! do not imagine it will take out nitrates phosphates etc alone! you feed your filter with alcool and acetat calcium and magnesium and you maintain nitrates close to zero or at absolute zero if you want and phosphates the same! very easy.

unfortunatly you developp special bacteria which stuck all your pipes. white filaments. so forget any kind of swimming pool installation with many pipes for external sumps!!
You can see many installation like this on the net but those poor guys forget aquarium and swimming pools do not obey to the same rules!! do you imagine to put cl2 in your reef? of course not!

you need to have as less as possible pipes it is possible.
Diameters of pipes minimum 40 mm for aspiration and return minimum 50 mm!!!!!!!!!!!

Avoid external PUMPS because the aspiration pipe will be stuck fast fast fast! so use ponds internals PUMPS minimum 5000 LITERS/HOUR.PUMPS FOR PONDS SECIALLY DESIGNED FOR SEA WATER ALSO.

 

[poissonist]

the only problem you will get with this method will be:

your alkalinity will climb because of alcool/acetat use. when you get 13 KH YOU NEED TO CHANGE WATER OR DECREASE NUMBER OF FISHES!

if one of you find one method to get ride of cheaply your excess KH let me know immediatly because as i said it is the only limitation to this method!!!

in the next future i have no doubt that this method will be used for most reefers because it is much more fun to get more fishes and corals at the same time.........

 

[poissonist]

Also continuing pushing the limits i confirm that you can grow your own bacterioplancton to feed you corals.

you can collect the white filaments which developp strongly in your filter and put in the mixer for a while.

those filaments are milliards of bacteria and after mixing, the bacteria will be eaten by corals. you can use as much as you produce!

You can enrich your bacteria with betacaroten. use those you eat when you want to go to the sun! get it at the drug dealer!

have fun!

Also test Potassium in the tank and add it often to give extra blue coral colors............

 

[moumda]

How long have you been running this system? What is your bio load? Sounds interesting!

 

[billsreef]

Such high stocking densities are pushing the limits to the extreme, not because of filtration technology, but fish behaviour and individual spacial needs. That is higher densities than one would find in the wild with anything other than densely schooling fish. While such densities or higher are commonplace in aquaculture settings, I don't believe that is what any of us trying to achieve in our tanks.

BTW, with low tech easy methods such as fair quantities of live rock, live sand beds, refugiums and a protein skimmer, I can maintain zero or near zero (never above 5ppm) of nitrates and the same with phosphates. It's much easier than adding alcohol and other filtration methods that require higher levels of maintenance and expense

 

[poissonist]

i am not here to discuss with reefers if this technic is good or not so good and how long time or years i do it!

i just inform everybody about what they can do and what they can get.

if you are not satisfied about what i say i would say my animals and corals and me do not care of what you think!

we just give you infos about what we tested and what we test and i am not alone to do it!!!!

i am just one of the first guys to inform reefers about those technics.

you will feel free to continu with or without your skimmer, with or without your refugia or what ever!

About densities on the natural reef you will find hundreds of corals and thouthands species fishes and animals represented each by thouthands specimens! which means very high densities!

Very far of what i explain here!

i believe it will be next steps of my testing because time after time i will test mesocosms in the future with this method.....and with research credits also......

 

[billsreef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9785084#post9785084 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by poissonist
i am not here to discuss with reefers if this technic is good or not so good and how long time or years i do it!

When you post to a discussion board, you need to expect discussion

we just give you infos about what we tested and what we test and i am not alone to do it!!!!

i am just one of the first guys to inform reefers about those technics.

It might be the cynic in me, or possible my misunderstanding of your written English, but I find myself wondering if you are associated with some aquarium related company selling these filters?

About densities on the natural reef you will find hundreds of corals and thouthands species fishes and animals represented each by thouthands specimens! which means very high densities!

I'm quite aware of natural reef densities from doing my own transects

 

[poissonist]

ok we can discuss but nobody tell me something when they do not test before!

also i promote nothing because i do not like sellers at all. why? because they test nothing and sell everything!

i only use what can be used when it is usefull!

if you have no monay to buy fishes or corals to try this method or other ones it is not my problem etc etc

i feel tired to discuss only with people doing and repeating only what other people do!

many of you guys are like lambs repeating what other people tell you to repeat! one day maybe you will test yourself something new and give your infos to others?

many things need to be improoved so lets do.....by testing!

Exemple:I also wait infos during the next year about what solaris can do with deep tanks! i wait(eagerly) infos with people using it with clams and acropora etc.

 

[ahoyhoy239]

do you have any pictures of your tank and system? i think it would help if we can all see what you are talking about

 

[poissonist]

it could help you to look my gallery or maybe if i send each of you a 3 MEGA photo!

i really do not have time to spend with child behaviors!

 

[billsreef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9785826#post9785826 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by poissonist
i feel tired to discuss only with people doing and repeating only what other people do!

many of you guys are like lambs repeating what other people tell you to repeat! one day maybe you will test yourself something new and give your infos to others?

Just so you know, I'm a professional Marine Biologist with over 20 years in the Aquarium Trade and am also working as an Aquaculturist for a major University No need for me to repeat what other people say, I've the experience to back my words Some of the folk you've had similar discussions with in the Chem Forum are also talking from a position of experience and professional knowledge.

BTW when it comes to "child behaviors", perhaps you should look at what you write, you can be a bit condescending and insulting when you tell people that "you guys are like lambs repeating what other people tell you to repeat!"

 

[billsreef]

BTW, I did take a look at the photo's in your gallery. Nice tank, but I've seen just as good run on berlin method

 

[poissonist]

OK IF YOU DO NOT PUSH A LITTLE PEOPLE THEY JUST CONTINU TO SLEEP AS USUAL!

SO YOU ARE BIOLOGIST! ALL PEOPLE OF YOUR KIND I SAW/HEARD AND LOOK REALISATIONS BEFORE WERE: FISHES DEASEASES AND CORALS BROWN! BUT MAYBE YOU ARE DIFFERENT! I HOPE SO!

ABOUT MY TANK AND OTHER ALCOOL TANK? OF COURSE IT IS SAME VIEWING THAN BERLIN METHOD! BECAUSE AS BERLIN METHOD WE KEEP AS MANY CORALS WE WANT! PLUS FISHES WHICH IS SLIGHTLY MORE!AND OTHER ANIMALS LIKE URCHINS STARS SNAILS ETC ETC WHICH WE KEEP AS MUCH AS WE WANT!

But my purpose is not to insult you or show everybody i am the best (of nothing). i just make little "electrochocs" in those who sleep or repeat like perrots the same during the last 20 YEARS!

So i do not want to change the little world of reefers but to inform!