Interesting attack on Randy's two part

trueperc

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Hi all I have to post this and I do find this funny that this vender did not post this here but, I will quote exactly what he stated and hopefully find you feed back, now he is refering to diy salt but this is also concerning the two part, maybe even Randy can comment.

"In recent months we have had a massive surge in people taking up the balling method in replacement for the old pony the clacium reactor, great everyone seeing the benefits of this European legend.

BUT, it has come to our attention as it did initially in Europe that users when they run out of salt start to look for what they feel is a cheaper alternative

Now I know we all like to save a buck or two, but at the risk of a large investment in the reef system? So tonight I thought I would spend some time on my soap box and highlight what you are REALLY adding.

Lets start with the main culprit Baking Soda, Baking soda is NOT for reef tanks, great for the kitchen but lets keep it there shall we why? Read on.

There are some forums hyping the use of DIY products to save some cash, but they dont tell you anything about the chemistry of what you are adding.

When baking soda is pure it is Sodium bicarbonate but Baking soda does not stay pure for long. In its preocessing for kitchen use the mill adds a BINDING AGENT

OOOOOO now its getting scary isnt it. So what you adding right now to your tank? Baking soda, care to read on?

The binding agent in question is generally aluminium silicate at best and at worst all sorts of other silicates.

Fancy some algea by chance?

In this this modern day world we all seem to be sucked into the concept of buy cheap expect quality and that you wil actually get quality, Oh if only life was that easy So my point is if you are going to follow the Fauna Marin balling method and get the results that it can really achieve, PLEASE use fauna marin salts I have lots of support cases on file, and originally I was not awake to what was going on, complaints of algea where quite common, I then starting asking the question, what salts are you using? ERRRRR

Fauna Marin balling salts are yes more expensive, why? They are designed for the specific use you are using them for, they have been expensively lab tested for impurities and have the added minor trace mineral elements you will not find in any other salt, these help create a stable system.
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Here is the full link where he shows a bucket to the effect and little more to his thoughts please check it out

http://canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=57840
 
:lol:

Yes, and I have some ocean front property to sell him in Arizona.

What vendors wont due to sell product. :rolleyes:
 
:lolspin: :wildone: :lolspin: People have been using baking soda in reef tanks for 20 years that I know of. Probably much longer than that.
 
:eek: Hellfire and brimstone, dogs and cats living together and here come the Four Horsemen. :eek2: DEAR GOD!!!!!! :uzi: Banish this Arm and Hammer :hammer: of Satan, BACK to the swirling pit of fire that created it!!! :lmao:
 
trueperc, we are not making fun of you, just the author of what you posted.

These things are very common (unfortunately) and one must learn to take them with a grain of salt.

Thanks for posting it. It is always good to educate the masses. This is why folks come to the Reef Chemistry Forum. :)
 
I know no one is making fun me of. I had to laugh when I read it and that is why I had to share with you all. I find it funny again that he posted it on canreef and yet he aka AQD Ottawa is one or the only distributer for us for Fauna Marin GmbH. You would figure this kind of news or findings you would want to share with everyone. But funny the same bucket results I see the browness sludge form Instant Ocean in my new saltwater mix and I know a buddy that does you a complete DIY salt and has never seen this in a bucket.
One of my friends was going to post this thread in the canreef one, but ya it was closed I really wonder why, maybe because of the statement he was making.
 
Anyone who believes aluminum is added to baking soda should read the mds Cliff provided. Usually vendor pitches for their product are more thickly veiled and not so openly nonsensical. Never had a problem with baking soda over years of use.

:bounce3::fun2:
 
That whole attitude is what has turned me away from GHL products. I wonder if they agree with this on the GHL sponsor forum here on RC.
 
Funny stuff :p I don't understand why FM insist calling their "system" Balling. Many of their comments indicate they try to add some odd magic to a simple and well defined method.

"Does arm and hammer add the minerals required for balling success?."
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Isn't it called Balling after the name of the bloke who came up with it...?

And with Baking Soda don't you need to cook/bake (not pun intended) first?
 
Prob closed the thread because he fears the true science. He acts like he is glad when it hits RC.. in the chemistry forum... is he nuts? Wait.. now I think I know why he closed the thread. :lol:
 
Yes, and I have some ocean front property to sell him in Arizona.

Me too, but I carry around California ocean front beach property in the trunk of my car :)

What is he talking about ? Bromide in seawater is 65 ppm. It is # 7 of the Major ions.

Many marine fauna/flora i.e., Sponges, Algae, and Bryozoans for example, produce a number of different Bromide compounds that produce antifouling properties to ward off predators and the attachment of on wanted epibionts. It is also used as a cellular communication ion in some cells and bacteria where chloride is not used.

I see they have heavy metal sup's, I want to know why, which ones and how much. Why do we have a so called "pure" salt and then add these ? I also want to know why Barium in used in a sup with Strontium, as Barium has no biological role. Just because it is found in coral skeletons means nothing. If that is the case where is the Uranium sup, which is ~ 1/2 that of the Ba in hard corals :)
 
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