boosted chemist
New member
Get either iPhone, I upgraded from a driod, what a pile of rocks compared to my 4
iPhone 4 vs 4S?
- Thread starter Capt_Cully
- Start date
low riderr
New member
i picked the droid over the i phone because they offer more apps. other than that i thought they were pretty close.as far as longevity i wouldnt know i loose or smash about 1 a year,good thing for the ins. plan
Eastamherstbias
New member
There are no winners in this argument. I like how all my devices are connected in the ios closed sandbox (ipad/iphone/appletv/laptop). I like that I get updates on a regular basis and the apple store genius bar is good. I don't like that my screen is only 3.5 inches when android has 4+ inches.
Last edited:
Capt_Cully
Active member
4s on the way. Wasn't THAT expensive. Cheaper than my first Droid by over $100. Looking forward to the new toy. Even as I type this my Droid keeps freezing up.
Conesus_Kid
Premium Member
Mark, if you're rough on this stuff, consider getting a warranty from squaretrade.com. Santa's bringing my 11 year old an iPod this year, so I sprung $34 for the two-year ADH warranty which includes everything (including drops, liquid spills, etc.). Cheap piece of mind, and the reviews I've read are solid when it comes to filing claims.
der_wille_zur_macht
Team RC
I've owned three iPhones and I've been an Apple fanboy since the 80's.
I currently use a Droid2, and love it. IMHO the iPhone is overly simplistic and lacking important features compared to what (some) Droids can do. A few times when I've borrowed friends' iPhones, or used my wife's iPad, I find myself totally frustrated at iOS compared to the Android OS. I don't think I'm ever gonna switch back to an iPhone unless there's some sort of major rework at some point in the future. But that said, I really don't see how Apple is going to keep up, considering the size of the vendor support and developer community for Android.
Granted it's hard to compare because hardware and software varies considerably from Droid to Droid.
I currently use a Droid2, and love it. IMHO the iPhone is overly simplistic and lacking important features compared to what (some) Droids can do. A few times when I've borrowed friends' iPhones, or used my wife's iPad, I find myself totally frustrated at iOS compared to the Android OS. I don't think I'm ever gonna switch back to an iPhone unless there's some sort of major rework at some point in the future. But that said, I really don't see how Apple is going to keep up, considering the size of the vendor support and developer community for Android.
Granted it's hard to compare because hardware and software varies considerably from Droid to Droid.
Willie-
I tend to agree with you. Being a Verizon employee, I can have access to pretty much anything I want, whenever I want it, at cost, and carry a Bionic.
The 4S is using a Samsung "A5" Apple ARM-based processor, with a custom built Funai assembled screen. They're already in a ****ing match with Sammy, that they're losing. Badly. How much do you think they'll want to support Apple in the future? Plus, it doesn't have a 4G radio. That's not cool.
The Quality Control/longevity of Apple handsets isn't stellar. We see nearly the same return rates for out-of-box defects with the 4 and 4s that we see from anyone else; the best currently are tied between Samsung and Motorola, but statistically they're all in a virtual dead heat.
I dislike the fact that the A5 is several generations back in technology, ditto for the radio. If you take it from a technical standpoint, it's not as sensitive as the signal approaches 0dB as some $49.99 dumb phones; the OS is slick, the actual telephone isn't.
Lastly, the OS/Branding. The "walled garden" approach is cool at first, but will hurt them, again. I used Apple products through the 80's, theire first attempt at a walled garden, from a II, to a IIe to a IIGS to a Lisa, to a Fishtank-Mac. I'm not anti-Apple, I'm anti closed-OS/Hardware. (Think Betamax, AppleTalk, Firewire, MicroChannel, Sony Memory-Stick, MiniDisc, DAT, I can keep going.) The sad part is it's history repeating itself. Jobs and Woz went through this in mid-80's when they had the educational market locked up, and nearly 60% penetration in home computers, but the company is myopic, and they're doing it again.
Apple's market share has been steady on ComScore (They track mobile phone activations, and usage of data/features by OS) reports for the past year, Android has quadrupled, and leapfrogged iOS by nearly 20% in the soon to come out Q3 stats. We see the same thing in activations. Nearly 5:1 Android versus iOS for our company. Even AT&T is showing ~3:1 activations, with the 4S launch included in the sample period.
Plus Android OS is being built into everything from Refrigerators, TVs, Home Automation platforms, even our little hobby with Aquarium Controllers. As it becomes more prolific in everyday items, it'll edge iOS even further out.
Not only that, but iTunes is deplorable. It may be some of the most miserable software on the planet, especially if you have a large (I'm around 37K songs, and 220GB) or networked library of songs.
It's a losing battle; and even if you like the platform, or it's superior, it'll lose due to sheer numbers in the long run. I'm betting 3-5 years, based on the data I see, and it'll go back to what Apple does best, a niche product for graphic processing, music, and designers.
I know you're not married to the technology, it's a 2-year hitch, but think about it.. You're buying last year's technology (or older), at today's top-shelf prices.
One thing Apple does well, though, is marketing. Dang they're good at polishing their products...
And that comes from a marketing guy. I really respect that side of their business....
PS: The views expressed here are mine, not my company's. Just my little legal disclaimer....
I tend to agree with you. Being a Verizon employee, I can have access to pretty much anything I want, whenever I want it, at cost, and carry a Bionic.
The 4S is using a Samsung "A5" Apple ARM-based processor, with a custom built Funai assembled screen. They're already in a ****ing match with Sammy, that they're losing. Badly. How much do you think they'll want to support Apple in the future? Plus, it doesn't have a 4G radio. That's not cool.
The Quality Control/longevity of Apple handsets isn't stellar. We see nearly the same return rates for out-of-box defects with the 4 and 4s that we see from anyone else; the best currently are tied between Samsung and Motorola, but statistically they're all in a virtual dead heat.
I dislike the fact that the A5 is several generations back in technology, ditto for the radio. If you take it from a technical standpoint, it's not as sensitive as the signal approaches 0dB as some $49.99 dumb phones; the OS is slick, the actual telephone isn't.
Lastly, the OS/Branding. The "walled garden" approach is cool at first, but will hurt them, again. I used Apple products through the 80's, theire first attempt at a walled garden, from a II, to a IIe to a IIGS to a Lisa, to a Fishtank-Mac. I'm not anti-Apple, I'm anti closed-OS/Hardware. (Think Betamax, AppleTalk, Firewire, MicroChannel, Sony Memory-Stick, MiniDisc, DAT, I can keep going.) The sad part is it's history repeating itself. Jobs and Woz went through this in mid-80's when they had the educational market locked up, and nearly 60% penetration in home computers, but the company is myopic, and they're doing it again.
Apple's market share has been steady on ComScore (They track mobile phone activations, and usage of data/features by OS) reports for the past year, Android has quadrupled, and leapfrogged iOS by nearly 20% in the soon to come out Q3 stats. We see the same thing in activations. Nearly 5:1 Android versus iOS for our company. Even AT&T is showing ~3:1 activations, with the 4S launch included in the sample period.
Plus Android OS is being built into everything from Refrigerators, TVs, Home Automation platforms, even our little hobby with Aquarium Controllers. As it becomes more prolific in everyday items, it'll edge iOS even further out.
Not only that, but iTunes is deplorable. It may be some of the most miserable software on the planet, especially if you have a large (I'm around 37K songs, and 220GB) or networked library of songs.
It's a losing battle; and even if you like the platform, or it's superior, it'll lose due to sheer numbers in the long run. I'm betting 3-5 years, based on the data I see, and it'll go back to what Apple does best, a niche product for graphic processing, music, and designers.
I know you're not married to the technology, it's a 2-year hitch, but think about it.. You're buying last year's technology (or older), at today's top-shelf prices.
One thing Apple does well, though, is marketing. Dang they're good at polishing their products...
And that comes from a marketing guy. I really respect that side of their business.... PS: The views expressed here are mine, not my company's.
Just my little legal disclaimer....
Capt_Cully
Active member
Wow! Compelling to be sure. I am looking forward to trying the iPhone to be honest. This way I can form my own opinion having used the Droid for 2 years. I can opt out after 1 year as I have multiple lines I'm responsible for.
Personally, I'm very tech ignorant. I'm hoping the complaints from you guys who are more savy, are over my head. I think my capabilities will be exhausted prior to the phone's. At the very least, ill be able to make a better decision in the future based on experience. No decision like an informed decision.
Personally, I'm very tech ignorant. I'm hoping the complaints from you guys who are more savy, are over my head. I think my capabilities will be exhausted prior to the phone's. At the very least, ill be able to make a better decision in the future based on experience. No decision like an informed decision.
Eastamherstbias
New member
Ah the war begins.....
I am in no way an apple fan boy. I have a dell laptop with win 8 and an apple mac mini server. So I use both. Android will always win with sheer numbers but in the end it will be like apple v. microsoft.
Android has serious issues.....
* A new android phone comes out every week. Which is a bad thing. Kinda like that Best Buy commercial with the 4D tvs. A consumer needs to feel like their purchase will have some value after a week (especially since you are stuck with it for 1 or 2 years).
* Apple likes to show off the software and Android likes to show off the specs
*Fragmenting the market. Some apps will play on one device but not another droid. Ios has been fighting this for years and will need to find a solution once retina ipad 3 comes out.
*Updates-the android phone that you have now may never get more than one update. I get one every month and it is controlled by one ruling body (apple) and not the carriers.
*4G is not a totally mature tech yet. The better lower power radio 4G chips have not yet hit market. Apple always waits until the hardware matures. Look at the *****ing about battery life in the 4S imagine with 4G on. My co-worker who just got a new verizon android with 4G is constantly *****ing about the 4G coverage and battery life.
*Android may not have a walled garden but we have less malware and if you can always jailbreak your ios device if you want to leave. I have done it with all of my devices.
I am in no way an apple fan boy. I have a dell laptop with win 8 and an apple mac mini server. So I use both. Android will always win with sheer numbers but in the end it will be like apple v. microsoft.
Android has serious issues.....
* A new android phone comes out every week. Which is a bad thing. Kinda like that Best Buy commercial with the 4D tvs. A consumer needs to feel like their purchase will have some value after a week (especially since you are stuck with it for 1 or 2 years).
* Apple likes to show off the software and Android likes to show off the specs
*Fragmenting the market. Some apps will play on one device but not another droid. Ios has been fighting this for years and will need to find a solution once retina ipad 3 comes out.
*Updates-the android phone that you have now may never get more than one update. I get one every month and it is controlled by one ruling body (apple) and not the carriers.
*4G is not a totally mature tech yet. The better lower power radio 4G chips have not yet hit market. Apple always waits until the hardware matures. Look at the *****ing about battery life in the 4S imagine with 4G on. My co-worker who just got a new verizon android with 4G is constantly *****ing about the 4G coverage and battery life.
*Android may not have a walled garden but we have less malware and if you can always jailbreak your ios device if you want to leave. I have done it with all of my devices.
EA Bias-
I'm in a similar situation around the house, but with 3 Win 7 Ultimate machines, an XP Corporate Machine, and a 36TB WinHomeServer 2011 media server in the basement. I don't love MS, it's just what works for my needs.
Now, on to phones:
1. You're right. Realistically, who won that? Remember the best selling product on Apple OS, It's Microsoft Office, and has been for nearly 20 years.
2.A new phone does come out weekly. Which is a *good* thing. It provides pricepoints and products that a company like Apple refuses to hit. So the kid down the street with a paper route, and the doctor can all afford to jump in to the fray.
3. Correct. Both can enhance/detract from a user's experience. And you can choose between what's important to you. I "get" why people choose iPhones; iOS is polished, finished, and relatively smooth. Early Androids weren't, current ones are. iPhones didn't start polished or smooth either. Remember sending MMSs? Or the amazing new cut & paste technology in iOS 4, that I had on my Blackberry since '03?
4. Fragmentation only exists on TiPB and in Apple PR; over 99% of the Apps run on any Android 2.2 or better phone or tablet. It's about the same percentage that require the A4 or better (iPhone 4) processor. It's not an issue. It could have become one, or could potentially become one in the future, but it isn't now.
5. You are correct. Updates are manufacturer and carrier driven. I've owned three Droids, and an iPhone 4. I've gotten regular updates to each model, my most recent on the Bionic last week. If you buy an old phone, yeah, it'll be orphaned. Much like if I bought a 3GS now, I wouldn't expect longevity.
6. 4G CDMA/LTE is relatively mature. HSPA isn't.
I personally think it's a load of poop designed to cover themselves for not getting their radio technology squared away in early prototyping; you can't in one breath claim to be an innovator, then tell people we adopt a wait and see approach in the second breath.
LTE does consume power. It's true. It's the major drawback to any LTE device. But, with an out of the box setup, I can run all day, with conference calls, push e-mail, GOOD encryption, and piles of data use, with a dual-core processor (they throttle based on load) with 20% left when I go to sleep. Plus, if that's not enough for a given day, or if I'm travelling I can swap my battery for an extended-life one. Can't do that with an Apple product.
And I get good LTE coverage in East Amherst; I'm on it right now. We'd have more if we didn't have to wait for Canada to turn off analog TV service.
7. You're correct. Open source has it's advantages, and disadvantages. It's funny, tho, with 3 Androids, and a Galaxy Tablet, I've never stumbled across Malware. If we're talking jailbreaking, I can root and install a custom ROM. Let's keep things Apples to Androids here, so to speak.
And to give you an idea how rough that walled garden can be, a good friend is a developer (Both major mobile platforms.) His software was rejected due to "language." When he asked what the issue was, his instructions stated you could share data across platforms, which contained the word "Android." Needless to say, he wasn't enthused.
I'm not anti-iOS. It works. It's not a bad platform. But, the software isn't that much better than Android anymore. And that advantage is slipping rapidly. Both have their own set of issues. The most stable/secure is actually BlackBerry, but it's boring as heck. and stuck in '05 with Symbian.
The question for me was, if I had to choose one phone for the Cap'n, what would it be? That, for now, would be either a Nexus S or a Bionic (Haven't played with a Nexus, but I may ask for one after the holidays...) The iPhone 4 was a stunning piece of sculpture in it's day, with a deficient hardware set. The 4s (in my opinion) looks tired nearly 18 months later.
Trust me, as a telecom guy (and resident geek) they're both full of holes, pick whichever suits your needs/wants. I just offered a differing opinion.
I'm in a similar situation around the house, but with 3 Win 7 Ultimate machines, an XP Corporate Machine, and a 36TB WinHomeServer 2011 media server in the basement.
I don't love MS, it's just what works for my needs.Now, on to phones:
1. You're right. Realistically, who won that? Remember the best selling product on Apple OS, It's Microsoft Office, and has been for nearly 20 years.
2.A new phone does come out weekly. Which is a *good* thing. It provides pricepoints and products that a company like Apple refuses to hit. So the kid down the street with a paper route, and the doctor can all afford to jump in to the fray.
3. Correct. Both can enhance/detract from a user's experience. And you can choose between what's important to you. I "get" why people choose iPhones; iOS is polished, finished, and relatively smooth. Early Androids weren't, current ones are. iPhones didn't start polished or smooth either. Remember sending MMSs? Or the amazing new cut & paste technology in iOS 4, that I had on my Blackberry since '03?
4. Fragmentation only exists on TiPB and in Apple PR; over 99% of the Apps run on any Android 2.2 or better phone or tablet. It's about the same percentage that require the A4 or better (iPhone 4) processor. It's not an issue. It could have become one, or could potentially become one in the future, but it isn't now.
5. You are correct. Updates are manufacturer and carrier driven. I've owned three Droids, and an iPhone 4. I've gotten regular updates to each model, my most recent on the Bionic last week. If you buy an old phone, yeah, it'll be orphaned. Much like if I bought a 3GS now, I wouldn't expect longevity.
6. 4G CDMA/LTE is relatively mature. HSPA isn't.
I personally think it's a load of poop designed to cover themselves for not getting their radio technology squared away in early prototyping; you can't in one breath claim to be an innovator, then tell people we adopt a wait and see approach in the second breath.
LTE does consume power. It's true. It's the major drawback to any LTE device. But, with an out of the box setup, I can run all day, with conference calls, push e-mail, GOOD encryption, and piles of data use, with a dual-core processor (they throttle based on load) with 20% left when I go to sleep. Plus, if that's not enough for a given day, or if I'm travelling I can swap my battery for an extended-life one. Can't do that with an Apple product.
And I get good LTE coverage in East Amherst; I'm on it right now. We'd have more if we didn't have to wait for Canada to turn off analog TV service.
7. You're correct. Open source has it's advantages, and disadvantages. It's funny, tho, with 3 Androids, and a Galaxy Tablet, I've never stumbled across Malware. If we're talking jailbreaking, I can root and install a custom ROM. Let's keep things Apples to Androids here, so to speak.
And to give you an idea how rough that walled garden can be, a good friend is a developer (Both major mobile platforms.) His software was rejected due to "language." When he asked what the issue was, his instructions stated you could share data across platforms, which contained the word "Android." Needless to say, he wasn't enthused.
I'm not anti-iOS. It works. It's not a bad platform. But, the software isn't that much better than Android anymore. And that advantage is slipping rapidly. Both have their own set of issues. The most stable/secure is actually BlackBerry, but it's boring as heck. and stuck in '05 with Symbian.
The question for me was, if I had to choose one phone for the Cap'n, what would it be? That, for now, would be either a Nexus S or a Bionic (Haven't played with a Nexus, but I may ask for one after the holidays...) The iPhone 4 was a stunning piece of sculpture in it's day, with a deficient hardware set. The 4s (in my opinion) looks tired nearly 18 months later.
Trust me, as a telecom guy (and resident geek) they're both full of holes, pick whichever suits your needs/wants. I just offered a differing opinion.
Eastamherstbias
New member
I agree there are positives and negatives with both OS. I would like apple to give me a 4inch iphone.
Reeferwill561
New member
I get new updates about once a month on my EVO 3D. I also get truly unlimited data for 75.99 a month, unlimited mobile to mobile, text, web, downloads, plus 7 bucks a month for insurance even if my phone gets stolen.. just a 100 dollar co pay. Apple doesn't do that. If you have Sprint than you can do the unlimited data thing though just not the insurance for iphones.
Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk
Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk
Eastamherstbias
New member
Sprint is terrible. I control all of my family/randoms tech and the sprint Iphones are the slowest by far according to speedtest.net.
Reeferwill561
New member
I get great reception in gainesville,FL. Also in jupiter FL. You can update your sattelites too, well I can with my EVO I'm not sure about the iphones.
Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk
Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk
Eastamherstbias
New member
I think it is a sprint iPhone issue with data speeds. I had three different carrier iPhones at my house and AT&T won then Verizon and far behind was sprint.
der_wille_zur_macht
Team RC
I'm looking forward to seeing what you think. Personal preference is such a big part of this that it's almost silly to argue which is best based on market share, performance, or other quantitative factors. I do like iOS despite how my previous post sounded, I just like my Andriod phone even more.
I'm surprised the whole touchscreen vs. physical keyboard thing hasn't come up in this thread yet. With iOS, you have one choice for hardware. With Andriod, you can get whatever format of hardware you like the most. I used to love touchscreen keyboards, but the slide-out keyboard on my D2 is really handy in certain situations.
Did I ever mention how that was the single greatest thing I miss from my BlackBerry(s).
I think my Bold 9650 was the best all-around work tool for basic messaging, be it e-mail, SMS, security, battery life (3+ days), and overall business tool functionality. It couldn't surf the web worth a darn, and had no/few apps..
RIM has form-factor for typing down. Period. Nothing better. They just need a new OS. (And, there's a lot going on behind the scenes, there, too...)
Tonynlo
New member
Get a 4S. Developers always push hardware limits with new apps. If you're not an app guy then it really doesn't matter IMO. From a resale point of view... iPhone's hold their value exceptionally well, so by the time it's time to upgrade you should either break even or make a small profit when you sell it. At least this was my case with the first gen iPhone, and 3GS so far. Meanwhile the droid market is saturated with tons of crummy phones and only a few shiners that you're most definitely going to choke on a loss simply due to market saturation.
der_wille_zur_macht
Team RC
Ironically the only Blackberry I've ever owned was a Storm, so I missed out on the "nice" keyboard, and it was pretty much terrible in every other possible way, too.
Landolakes
New member
Read up on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus (addresses most of the pro v con arguements here). Then go to the store and hold a few phones and see which feels the best.
Similar threads
