Is it just me?

True, but can you imagine dogs if there was a lack [or far far less] named varieties?

Green staghorn would equate to `light-brown long-legged dog' ;)
Not exactly the most useful to differentiate, IMO.
 
So, is that your 'light-brown long-legged dog' that keep pooping on my lawn? :lol:

I'll say my last bit here with regards to naming corals: the buyer will drive the price. If you're not sure what you're getting, then don't buy it! There's plenty of nice corals out there, not all of them need a name, and not all of them are $100 per half-inch. I would find out all you can before buying it, just like anything. You don't want to purchase a car in December only to find out in May it's got no air conditioning, right?

Most of my previous statements haven't been in defense of naming corals, more like poking fun at them because they're so literal and one person's "blue slimer" may not match up to another person's "blue slimer". If they're both nice, who cares what they're called!
 
Agreed, and I for one am not keen on buying a coral for a name.

But that doesn't mean I'd be in favor of tossing attached names. IMO, all coral varieties deserve some sort of backround/name to them.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7049388#post7049388 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by twon8


Unless you are sending skeletal parts away for examination you will only have a guess what you really have anyway. If someone wants to spend their money on LE corals, what do you care?

The problem with that is, even scientists wont ID corals that have been tank kept anymore. You can't even be sure with skeletal evidence. Once something has been in a tank, there is NO WAY, to guarantee what it is.

Our local club had a speaker in this month, from Waikiki, (I believe) and he said the PHDs he works with, when asked to ID a coral, the first question they ask is "where does it come from". WHy do they need to ask this? Because there are no strong enough distinguishing characteristics in acropora to guarantee something is of a particular "species"

At this point, scientists arent even sure these are different species, and not just locational morphs of the same species.
 
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and see's a slightly blurry picture of a "Blue" Sps coral on a web page. See's that it's labeled Blue Tort and decides to order it
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"...then I'd question a lot more than morals. Buying a coral based on a blurry picture...who does that? I might buy something if the color looks good and it's a reasonable price, but to pay big bucks? That's not silly, that's stupid."

Once again attacking the buyer. If a retailer only puts up one photo. Then that's all the buyer can go by. If it's labeled and described as such. Take your theory to any other product. Put a picture of a product any product. Call it a Sony. When it arrives and you get a Panasonic. Is it still the buyers fault.

Order flowers. See the picture. Under it says "dozen Roses". Order it. Carnations show up. Everyone buys things based off of retailer descriptions. Why would you say it is ok for a retailer to mis label items in this hobby? Why is it the buyers fault?

There are descriptions for corals when a person doesn't know. Such as Acroproa Sp. ?

There are so many different levels of hobbyist. Beginners and the less knowledgable should be able to trust the retailer. Sure a experienced hobbyist can ID corals easier, and sift through any decietful marketing. Take a fairly new reefer who goes to someones house and sees a nice mature tank. Sees a coral he likes. Is told by the owner that a certain coral in the tank is X coral. That reefer goes home and tries one of the many retailers online to find X coral. Finally finds one described as X coral, and orders it. Your saying you question the buyer, and it's his fault when X coral never arrives.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7051403#post7051403 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BlueStag
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Order flowers. See the picture. Under it says "dozen Roses". Order it. Carnations show up. Everyone buys things based off of retailer descriptions. Why would you say it is ok for a retailer to mis label items in this hobby? Why is it the buyers fault?

There are descriptions for corals when a person doesn't know. Such as Acroproa Sp. ?

No, this is more like if you order pink roses, and get peusche roses. Or you order canary yellow and get sun yellow.

Comparing different manufacturers of TVs is silly. These animals can't be reliably ID'd, and you have to know that going in. The only thing that you can reliably use is the picture, and if the picture isnt good, dont buy. Speak with your wallet here.
 
Once again attacking the buyer. If a retailer only puts up one photo. Then that's all the buyer can go by. If it's labeled and described as such. Take your theory to any other product. Put a picture of a product any product. Call it a Sony. When it arrives and you get a Panasonic. Is it still the buyers fault.

I'm not attacking the buyer, I'm simply saying that people need to take responsibility for the own actions. If an ad says "Acropora sp. 'blue slimer'" and I get it and it's blue and it slimes, what different does it make to me whether it's A. formosa or yongei? If they send me a blue Montipora or some blue zoanthids, that's a whole different ball of wax, and more akin to your tv analogy above (which is extreme and out of line).

There are so many different levels of hobbyist. Beginners and the less knowledgable should be able to trust the retailer. Sure a experienced hobbyist can ID corals easier, and sift through any decietful marketing. Take a fairly new reefer who goes to someones house and sees a nice mature tank. Sees a coral he likes. Is told by the owner that a certain coral in the tank is X coral. That reefer goes home and tries one of the many retailers online to find X coral. Finally finds one described as X coral, and orders it. Your saying you question the buyer, and it's his fault when X coral never arrives.

This is faulty logic from the start. How does Reefer A, even being a long-term aquarist, know what the coral is when even experts in the field won't make that call?

If I see a coral online and it says "Superman Montipora", and the picture shows a blue with red-polyp monti, then I would expect to get that. If I receive a yellow with blue-polyp monti, then yes, I'd feel slighted. If my "superman" monti shows up a pale purplish color with orangish polyps (as they normally do after shipping) then I wouldn't think I've got ripped off. If someone does, then they're either inexperienced or ignorant, and really shouldn't be ordering expensive corals to begin with, IMO.

I always check and see what lighting a retailer uses, whether it's in a store, online, or a buddy of mine's tank. For me to expect things exactly like the picture is a false hope. People selling corals will almost always tell you what their display parameters are if you ask (most of them tell it up front).

Here's a question for you: if you order a"blue slimer" off a good pictures, and it arrives and it's blue and it slimes, how do you determine if you got "ripped off" and the "wrong species"? If it turns out that it's a formosa instead of a yongei, does that make it slime and less, any less blue, or any less beautiful? Do you demand a refund?
 
Let's see if there are other opinions out there. Ours have been made. This was an opinion type thread to begin with. Let's hear from the quieter ones lurking.
 
It's really nobody's fault. Since we've established that coral identification is more or less always guesswork, who do you blame for that? Again, if it's way off, then there's likely some sort of intentional misleading going on there, but if not, then that's like asking the drive-thru clerk at McDonald's if she knows where the cow the beef for my burger came from lived.

If we agree you can't id corals, then how do you place blame for "misidentification"? If I sell you a brown acro tenuis as a Mike Paletta blue tenuis, that, once again, is different.

Are you trying to make a point now, or just being argumentative?
 
And please, I'd like to know the answers to these questions:

Here's a question for you: if you order a"blue slimer" off a good pictures, and it arrives and it's blue and it slimes, how do you determine if you got "ripped off" and the "wrong species"? If it turns out that it's a formosa instead of a yongei, does that make it slime and less, any less blue, or any less beautiful? Do you demand a refund?
 
My take on Formosa and Yongeii's are on the first couple of pages. I clearly state where the name Slimer came from and what it refers too. No I am not trying to argue. Just giving an opinion. I'll take yours for what it's worth.
 
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