Is it true...

[cbowman]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9893467#post9893467 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
im sick of being told i dont know what im talking about.

where is this magic freaking TR clownfish that is refusing to host????

who has a TR clown that they cant get to host in their natural host anemone???????????????

your so right when people say they wont host it must be they have the wrong anemone for the clownfish they have! more people need to go diving in the wild and see.... they will always host the anemone that they natural host in the wild!

IM SWITZERLAND ON THIS ONE! STAYING NEUTRAL

 

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9895547#post9895547 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by a&cbowman
your so right when people say they wont host it must be they have the wrong anemone for the clownfish they have! more people need to go diving in the wild and see.... they will always host the anemone that they natural host in the wild!

IM SWITZERLAND ON THIS ONE! STAYING NEUTRAL

I don't think anyone here is disagreeing with this. In fact, I think this is the one thing that we here can all agree on. TR clownfish usually do not hesitate when it comes to hosting their natural host anemone. I think some of us here are talking about just the generality of the behavior of clownfish and anemones.

 

[GSMguy]

i really cant figure out what we are talking about here anymore. there are different people debating different things.

 

[elegance coral]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9890081#post9890081 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
You say "In a captive environment, this is not the case" but how often do aquarists mix predator fish with their clownfish? Obviously there is a reason why some clownfish(usually A. Percula and Ocellaris) do not take to their anemone. Simple, there is no need for it. Anemones provide a safe niche where the clownfish can live. Anemones are the clownfish's territory but when there is a lack of predator or dominant species in the tank, why would the clownfish need an anemone per say? Why not just take the whole tank instead and use that as a hosting site?

Did you read what you wrote here?

 

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9896053#post9896053 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by elegance coral

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9890081#post9890081 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
You say "In a captive environment, this is not the case" but how often do aquarists mix predator fish with their clownfish? Obviously there is a reason why some clownfish(usually A. Percula and Ocellaris) do not take to their anemone. Simple, there is no need for it. Anemones provide a safe niche where the clownfish can live. Anemones are the clownfish's territory but when there is a lack of predator or dominant species in the tank, why would the clownfish need an anemone per say? Why not just take the whole tank instead and use that as a hosting site?

Did you read what you wrote here?

Of course I read what I wrote. I always make errors in my typing.

On that note, what are you really imply by your statement?

 

[elegance coral]

Nothing about your typing. I can't spell worth a @#%*.
You have made the statement that a properly matched anemone and clown will always host. Now it seems that you have changed your mind.

 

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9896414#post9896414 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by elegance coral
Nothing about your typing. I can't spell worth a @#%*.
You have made the statement that a properly matched anemone and clown will always host. Now it seems that you have changed your mind.

Re-read my post. I was being general in the concept of what we are discussing. No where did I mention that a properly matched anemone will not be hosted by a clownfish. All I said in that statement was a clownfish may not feel the need to host an anemone when there is a lack of predator or dominant species. I never said though that a properly matched anemone will not be hosted by a specialized clownfish.

 

[Slakker]

The limited data we have says that CB clownfish hatched without the presence of an anemone may be slower to host, but not less likely as stated in the question.

Whatever the difference you believe to be true between CB and WC clowns, one or the other isn't more or less likely to host an anemone. They will all host given time. The questions asks about the likelihood of a clown to host, not about how long it will take.

The answer is still "No" folks.

 

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9897522#post9897522 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker

The answer is still "No" folks.

unfortunetly i dont think your opinion counts because you are too inexperienced to comment.





i am kidding

i have seen the experienced people start to post less and less
i really wish they were around here more. i apreciate the experience of the older members, but if it were not for many of the people posting in this thread most of the threads in this forum would go unanswered altogether.

 

[Slakker]

Bah...experience...who needs it when you can be hard headed and stubborn?

 

[Rod Buehler]

I will admit that I didnt read through the whole thread, but I will say that any time I put a pair of young percs that is at least 3 generations removed from the ocean, into a bucket with an RBTA (not a natural host) without any predators, and without ever seeing anything but a few rocks, the percs seem to swim right toward the anemone. I dont train them. They instinctively go there pretty much immediately.

 

[elegance coral]

This whole thread got started because I gave a newbie the advice to buy a wild clown because it would be more likely to host what ever anemone he bought. I still stand by that advice, but maybe it would have been better if I would have told him to match the clown to the anemone.
In my experience wild clowns will host most anything and quickly. cb clowns seem to be much more picky. This is the point I have been trying to make all this time.
I have a cb pair of Ocellaris because they don't host my Elegance. If I put a wild Ocellaris in the tank it would be in the elegance by the next morining.
Easy GSMguy, I now believe that if I put a H.Magnifica in the tank that my cb clowns would start to host at some point. I have not tried it though. As of right now my cb clowns show no signs of wanting to host even after being in a tank with LTAs, candolactis, and elegance corals. Wild Ocellaris will host any of these.

 

[traveller7]

Assuming a clown, of any sort, is going to call a specific non-introduced LPS polyp or non-hosting anemone "home" is speculative at best, hazardous to the clown at worst. Clowns get eaten by some polyps and anemones, get stung by others, react with melanism, etc.

Captive clowns do not need anemones. They do need a space to rest, but a clay flower pot or pvc pipe will do just fine.

If folks are overcome by the need to see their clown in an anemone, then I would recommend re-reading this post carefully:

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9898687#post9898687 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rod Buehler
I will admit that I didnt read through the whole thread, but I will say that any time I put a pair of young percs that is at least 3 generations removed from the ocean, into a bucket with an RBTA (not a natural host) without any predators, and without ever seeing anything but a few rocks, the percs seem to swim right toward the anemone. I dont train them. They instinctively go there pretty much immediately.

IMHO: Key points in Rod's post, confinement to a featureless space and a mild stinging candidate host. Similar processes have been 100% effective for me as well. Conducting such an introduction with S. haddoni or the like would be ill advised and would likely result in a few clowns becoming a meal.

 

[dc]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9897616#post9897616 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy


i have seen the experienced people start to post less and less
i really wish they were around here more. i apreciate the experience of the older members, but if it were not for many of the people posting in this thread most of the threads in this forum would go unanswered altogether.

They tend to come and go as with most of the forums. I imagine they tire of the same posts over and over, and have to step back once in awhile. Hopefully the new and upcoming 'experienced' folks will give good advice.

 

[criccio]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9893522#post9893522 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by traveller7
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Originally posted by BonsaiNut
This thread reminds me of all the reasons why I don't visit this forum much any longer.
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And that my friend is a great loss for RC and specifically this forum.

Agreed!