thereefgeek
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Yeah, I saw that pic and wondered where I might be able to get a Hawaiian "Orange Tang". :lol:
Is this a superman monti?
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7588244#post7588244 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MadTownMax
not to be rude, but the color saturation in that pic is over-compensated - the tang isn't even the correct color yellow - Superman monti aren't going to look like that when you see them in person.
I've seen plenty of superman frags close-up and IMO they make much better photo subjects than pieces for my tank (due to their beauty belonging to the very small details) The colors are there, but from 5-feet away they don't come close to the macro photos you see online
Actually, the superman does look like that... or VERY close to it. I've modified the pic to show how it looks. Don't be jealous now!
See the post just above!
JER-Z
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everyone keeps using the term "true" what makes it "true superman montipora?" I thought the term superman is a standard term used for purple encrusting montipora w/ red polyps...
some specimens more attractive than others...Is there some expert that has to come to my house and deem it a "true superman?"
I'm a little new to this I just pick out stuff I like, mine was labeled by Dr. Mac as a "light purple superman montipora." What I got was worth the $40 i paid. I don't really care if it is "true" or not. Just wandering what "true" means...
some specimens more attractive than others...Is there some expert that has to come to my house and deem it a "true superman?"
I'm a little new to this I just pick out stuff I like, mine was labeled by Dr. Mac as a "light purple superman montipora." What I got was worth the $40 i paid. I don't really care if it is "true" or not. Just wandering what "true" means...
Snausages01
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'True' usually means it can be traced back to one of the original colonies (ex brudah). A lot of pieces have been coming in that look similar to the SM, but few compare in color to the real deal.
Now people just throw the name Superman out to describe anything that is remotely red and blue. Think of it as the purple monster, there is only one 'true purple monster,' but many places have been dubbing other coals as purple monsters simply because it is a recognizable name.
However, I agree don't buy it because the name, buy it because you like it.
Now people just throw the name Superman out to describe anything that is remotely red and blue. Think of it as the purple monster, there is only one 'true purple monster,' but many places have been dubbing other coals as purple monsters simply because it is a recognizable name.
However, I agree don't buy it because the name, buy it because you like it.
Snausages01
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Here is a shot of mine taken under 2x400 watt Iwasakis (6.5K) and a pair of 110 watt actinics. This is about a third of the colony that you can see from the front, which was taken today:
Here is another from a friends tank:
Which is the 'true' SM?
Here is another from a friends tank:
Which is the 'true' SM?
Leopardshark
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So are you saying that there´s only one single specimen on earth which can be called "True" SM monti? (and so it´s frags).
I think that if there´s one monti like that in captivity, there should be many more in the wild right?
Snausages01
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I agree 100%.
However, let me use the analogy of the infamous purple monster. When talking about the purple monster people are referring to a single colony or frags from that colony. So if you want a frag of the purple monster, it must come from the Tyree colony or a colony that traces back to it. When people used to refer to the superman danae, people were referring to the original superman danae, which I believe is brudah’s “pound my heart danae.†However, now many people use the term superman to refer to any coral with the purple and blue coloration, just as people use the term purple monster to refer to any coral that is purple. So what I am getting at is that by calling one the ‘true superman’ I am just meaning that it came from the original superman danae. What I was getting at is that from most corals that I have seen coming in lately called superman danaes the original superman usually has better colors than most others.
Leopardshark
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Got it. I think it is the same case as the "Oregon tort" right?
All oregon frags or colonies, must come from that colony from Oregon, am I right?
Thanks
Leopardshark
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yes I like it , but not as much as to pay 220 bucks for it.
I´d rather buy a tort frag for 100 bucks.
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sfsuphysics
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I think there are two separate issues here, one is calling any purple acro a "purple monster" or whatever, and then calling that specific species that's the same coloration a "purple monster". Now calling an Oregon Tort I can see because the "Cali" one tends to have a bit more green in it (although again depends upon the lighting conditions to what the coral does), so there is some reason in calling any Tort that is the same color as an oregon an oregon, and with that said there is some reason with calling any montipora danae that is bluish/purple with red polyps a superman monti. Now I dont see any issue with calling a red & blue mushroom a superman mushroom, or whatever because the word superman is synonymous with red and blue.
So the question comes, say you have a "true" superman monti, you know it's lineage back to the original colony... yet your system goes through some whacky thing (say alk drops unexpectantly) and the coral browns out yet lives, do you still call it a superman monti? Do you sell frags of it as a superman monti even though it's now brown? This is where I really dislike the naming of corals, because on one hand ok sure it came from that specific colony, but it really doesn't look anything like other superman montis. Same with a Leng Sy cap, why!? It's a purple rimmed green monti cap, it has some ridges on it? It's got bumps? All a matter of environment more-so than genetics, under the right conditions any coral will grow in strange ways. Why not call it a Purple rimmed green cap, and have a picture of the colony the frag is coming from or the frag itself to decide if you really want it. Corals will change depending upon the conditions they are kept under so giving them lineage names seems silly, afterall isn't the story of the Leng Sy cap that it was a brown cap that colored up?
Now I realize there are certain collectors that want a specific species from a specific person so they have a piece of THAT coral, but that sort of lineage should be kept as a side-bar "Purple rimmed green cap from Mike Paletta's tank" (yes I realize that's a mouthful). Purple with green skirt palythoas from Blane Perun's collect, etc. What's so monsterful of a 1" purple frag? Yet my 18" tall purple colony isn't a purple monster? (no I don't have one, just trying to make a point
). The thing with naming the lineage specfically as a side rather than just give a specific name is then you can start to cut down a bit on worrying that every purple w/ red polyped danae is a "true" superman.
So the question comes, say you have a "true" superman monti, you know it's lineage back to the original colony... yet your system goes through some whacky thing (say alk drops unexpectantly) and the coral browns out yet lives, do you still call it a superman monti? Do you sell frags of it as a superman monti even though it's now brown? This is where I really dislike the naming of corals, because on one hand ok sure it came from that specific colony, but it really doesn't look anything like other superman montis. Same with a Leng Sy cap, why!? It's a purple rimmed green monti cap, it has some ridges on it? It's got bumps? All a matter of environment more-so than genetics, under the right conditions any coral will grow in strange ways. Why not call it a Purple rimmed green cap, and have a picture of the colony the frag is coming from or the frag itself to decide if you really want it. Corals will change depending upon the conditions they are kept under so giving them lineage names seems silly, afterall isn't the story of the Leng Sy cap that it was a brown cap that colored up?
Now I realize there are certain collectors that want a specific species from a specific person so they have a piece of THAT coral, but that sort of lineage should be kept as a side-bar "Purple rimmed green cap from Mike Paletta's tank" (yes I realize that's a mouthful). Purple with green skirt palythoas from Blane Perun's collect, etc. What's so monsterful of a 1" purple frag? Yet my 18" tall purple colony isn't a purple monster? (no I don't have one, just trying to make a point
). The thing with naming the lineage specfically as a side rather than just give a specific name is then you can start to cut down a bit on worrying that every purple w/ red polyped danae is a "true" superman.
Another point that you guys have been switching back and forth on is superman monti and superman danae - both are montiporas, however, I am seeing pictures of colonies in this thread that have pronounced protrusions (this is a characteristic of "Dana" montiporas right? )and some that do not - resembling other types of encrusting montipora (not danae?).
I was under the understanding that the original Superman montipora was a "Danae" so would those without the characteristic protrusions (excuse my lack of the technical word for the calcified bumps :lol: ) still be referred to as "superman"?
I was under the understanding that the original Superman montipora was a "Danae" so would those without the characteristic protrusions (excuse my lack of the technical word for the calcified bumps :lol: ) still be referred to as "superman"?
sfsuphysics
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Well there is a "Superman" Montipora Digitata too
redFishblue
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I think the original was mistakenly called a Danae.
twon8
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7589681#post7589681 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sfsuphysics
Sure it will, if you use nothing but 20000k bulbs and a thousand watts of VHO actinic bulbs
While the tang looks a wonderful nuclear yellow I think the giveaway is the non-coraline covered parts of the egg crate looking blue rather than white
I know the store that is from and there are no actinics on that tank, just 20k xm's. I agree the picture is a bit saturated, but i have seen the piece in person and it is nice.
Leopardshark
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I get your point and I agree, but I think saying a sm monti is a "true" sm, is like a "warranty" that if kept with good conditions it will look the same as the original monti. Sure it can change colors, bleach, etc. but hopefully everyone who buys it, will provide an optimal enviroment.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7592313#post7592313 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sfsuphysics
I think there are two separate issues here, one is calling any purple acro a "purple monster" or whatever, and then calling that specific species that's the same coloration a "purple monster". Now calling an Oregon Tort I can see because the "Cali" one tends to have a bit more green in it (although again depends upon the lighting conditions to what the coral does), so there is some reason in calling any Tort that is the same color as an oregon an oregon, and with that said there is some reason with calling any montipora danae that is bluish/purple with red polyps a superman monti. Now I dont see any issue with calling a red & blue mushroom a superman mushroom, or whatever because the word superman is synonymous with red and blue.
So the question comes, say you have a "true" superman monti, you know it's lineage back to the original colony... yet your system goes through some whacky thing (say alk drops unexpectantly) and the coral browns out yet lives, do you still call it a superman monti? Do you sell frags of it as a superman monti even though it's now brown? This is where I really dislike the naming of corals, because on one hand ok sure it came from that specific colony, but it really doesn't look anything like other superman montis. Same with a Leng Sy cap, why!? It's a purple rimmed green monti cap, it has some ridges on it? It's got bumps? All a matter of environment more-so than genetics, under the right conditions any coral will grow in strange ways. Why not call it a Purple rimmed green cap, and have a picture of the colony the frag is coming from or the frag itself to decide if you really want it. Corals will change depending upon the conditions they are kept under so giving them lineage names seems silly, afterall isn't the story of the Leng Sy cap that it was a brown cap that colored up?
Now I realize there are certain collectors that want a specific species from a specific person so they have a piece of THAT coral, but that sort of lineage should be kept as a side-bar "Purple rimmed green cap from Mike Paletta's tank" (yes I realize that's a mouthful). Purple with green skirt palythoas from Blane Perun's collect, etc. What's so monsterful of a 1" purple frag? Yet my 18" tall purple colony isn't a purple monster? (no I don't have one, just trying to make a point
I´ve seen two a. gomezi that came from the same colony and they look absolutely different. One looks nice, the other one doesn´t buy both are a. gomezi.
Snausages01
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Both are the same coral.
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