Is this BROOK on my Picassos???? :(
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LargeAngels
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If you are stocking up on meds then I would add Maracyn II for secondary bacterial infections that may arise. Prazipro for future use of internal parasites and flukes. traveller7 may also have some other good meds to keep.
Seems you have formalin. IMHO, if you have formalin, copper, hypo, and some broad spectrum antibiotics you have a full tool kit.
Maybe order a fresh batch of your antibiotic of choice.
Maybe order a fresh batch of your antibiotic of choice.
ezcompany
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Thank you.
Leebca from reef fronties says to include methylene blue in the fw dip. is this recommended to do in addition to Oamas dip?
"Without getting technical, the methylene blue helps calm the fish and provides the fish an easier time to breath. At the same time, the methylene blue will actually make life difficult for some external and gill parasites. It has a very nice dual use in this process so take advantage of it. DONT overdose the bath water with methylene blue. More is not better!"
Leebca from reef fronties says to include methylene blue in the fw dip. is this recommended to do in addition to Oamas dip?
"Without getting technical, the methylene blue helps calm the fish and provides the fish an easier time to breath. At the same time, the methylene blue will actually make life difficult for some external and gill parasites. It has a very nice dual use in this process so take advantage of it. DONT overdose the bath water with methylene blue. More is not better!"
Would love to see a research paper linking the biology to the benefits of such an agent before I used it to "calm" a fish. Not saying it won't or does not do something, but I would love to know "why" first.
Maybe a dim room would do the same? Or an opaque container?
fwiw: I have used and continue to use clear specimen cups and a clear 2qt ice cube tray for my dips/baths depending on the size of the specimens. Dim and quiet surroundings only.
Ez,
Got the pH buffered and ammonia in check? Eyes getting cloudy? Any headstanding?
Did you get any positive indicator from the freshwater dip test to indicate Amyloo?
The aquaculture, koi, and freshwater fish folks are all ears and waiting to hear what have been doing wrong all these years.
Got the pH buffered and ammonia in check? Eyes getting cloudy? Any headstanding?
Did you get any positive indicator from the freshwater dip test to indicate Amyloo?
Mind linking a research paper detailing the lethality of copper at low salt concentrations?
The aquaculture, koi, and freshwater fish folks are all ears and waiting to hear what have been doing wrong all these years.
Copper is used as treatment for numerous issues in FW and SW, ranging from algae issues to parasites. Dosage always depends on target.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12173011#post12173011 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Doni
Just going by what I've read via Leebca on another forum. Fw and marine dosing is very different. My guess is the fw fisheries use a much lower concentration. I will be glad to PM you the links to them if you want
Relative to our discussion here, dosage remains the same for the target parasites regardless of FW or SW specific gravity directly related to Hypo. We are shooting for .5mg/L over the parasite life cycle(call it 21+ days).
There are fresh water aquaculture applications for copper sulfate ranging from 0.0013 to 10 mg/L for aquatic uses. FW Parasite treatment guidelines actually start at .5mg/L and rise with alkalinity to 2mg/L instead of decreasing.
The premise of copper toxicity to our fish increasing solely by lowering the specific gravity is false. We can chat about impacts of temperature, pH, alkalinity, etc., but that is a different discussion.
ezcompany
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well, i'm afraid i have bad news...when i got home last night the male was dead. shortly after the female kicked the bucket as well. nothing came off during the fw dip Scott, and the water quality was well oxygenated and ammonia free. I do not know about pH though. The clowns upon death still had vibrant colors, without the white slough.
in my other tank, my onyx female that i've had for over a year and a half decided to jump through a small crack in the hood and died as well. now i have 0 true perculas.
in my other tank, my onyx female that i've had for over a year and a half decided to jump through a small crack in the hood and died as well. now i have 0 true perculas.
Sorry to hear that Ez 
Your initial pictures look so much like the junk arriving on with the local chrysopterus I get the shakes just looking at them.
If nothing comes off in the FW dip, I tend to go hypo full time and formalin baths as a hedge.
When I can't clearly ID the bug, I have used Hypo+copper, and formalin baths...but we know that is quite abusive to the little guys. Not what I would prefer of course.
In my experience, hypo, formalin, and copper require very active pH management. In hypo we likely lose much of the buffers in the salt mix, formalin impacts pH, copper toxicity increases at very very low alkalinity.
fwiw: It is quite likely folks worried about hypo and copper are actually caught up with the Alkalinity issue and not expressing the facts correctly. Far from me to presume.
Your initial pictures look so much like the junk arriving on with the local chrysopterus I get the shakes just looking at them.
If nothing comes off in the FW dip, I tend to go hypo full time and formalin baths as a hedge.
When I can't clearly ID the bug, I have used Hypo+copper, and formalin baths...but we know that is quite abusive to the little guys. Not what I would prefer of course.
In my experience, hypo, formalin, and copper require very active pH management. In hypo we likely lose much of the buffers in the salt mix, formalin impacts pH, copper toxicity increases at very very low alkalinity.
fwiw: It is quite likely folks worried about hypo and copper are actually caught up with the Alkalinity issue and not expressing the facts correctly. Far from me to presume.
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