Is this BROOK on my Picassos???? :(
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143gadgets
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I don't know but mine had that same film and were breathing very hard. I fed the crap out of them and it went away after a few weeks I was so scared that I was gonna loose them.
143gadgets
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Try as many different foods as u can. Mine were pretty bad. They would gasp for air at the surface of the water. I fed hikari mysis, cyclopeeze, spirulina brine, and spirulina flake
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
143gadgets
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Try as many different foods as u can. Mine were pretty bad. They would gasp for air at the surface of the water. I fed hikari mysis, cyclopeeze, spirulina brine, and spirulina flake
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
sugartooth
Reef bully
I had similar experience with mine.
I performed formalin bath followed by freshwater rinse every other day for 10 days. I also had them in hypo because I wasn't sure if it was brook, velvet, or ich.
Only do this treatment if they are strong enough though....
If the appetite has weakened, gut load live brine and feed.
Also, add oxygen (lots and lots of big bubbles ie. from airline tubing) to the water to alleviate some of the stress of breathing so heavily.
I performed formalin bath followed by freshwater rinse every other day for 10 days. I also had them in hypo because I wasn't sure if it was brook, velvet, or ich.
Only do this treatment if they are strong enough though....
If the appetite has weakened, gut load live brine and feed.
Also, add oxygen (lots and lots of big bubbles ie. from airline tubing) to the water to alleviate some of the stress of breathing so heavily.
http://www.petsforum.com/personal/trevor-jones/fishdiseases.html
fwiw, it does not look like brook to me in that picture....but I would look into the Oama bath described at the link provided.
Best of luck, and I hope you have a safe spot to treat them if it gets ugly.
fwiw, it does not look like brook to me in that picture....but I would look into the Oama bath described at the link provided.
Best of luck, and I hope you have a safe spot to treat them if it gets ugly.
jkrentz2515
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Maybe your picasso clowns are morphing into snowflake clowns? j/k Hope they get better
ezcompany
Premium Member
Here is the full story:
Recently my rbta decided to float and crash my tank. I removed my picasso pair as soon as I could to a 10 gallon tank as I did not have a system ready. The 10 gallon was my QT system for another new batch of fish in which I was treating. No medications where in the tank during the time I added them in the 10 gallon.
After being inside the system for 2 days, I moved them last night into my 12 gallon. It is only now that I noticed a slight discoloration of the skin. It looks like tiny (by tiny i mean much smaller than ich) more like white mucous covering the skin. Now I'm suspecting its brook, as the fish seem to be showing symptoms such as eating food and spitting it back out.
Origin: From a friend who got them from ORA I believe. They are captive bred, and I have had them for over 6 months.
Some questions:
If left alone, how long till they die? Is death for sure?
Should I FW dip?
What is the recommended dosage of the product I have (FORMALIN 3 / Formaldehyde less than 3% by Kordon)? Dosage recommendations from Kelly on MD forum seems to be 1ml to 1 gallon, while on the bottle its 1tsp per gallon (around 5ml)
How long should I place them in the dip?
Other medications I have in hand: Seachem Focus, Seachem AquaZole (Metro), API Melafix Marine
I also have a Yasha Goby in there, is he 100% guaranteed to get it as well?
Here are more images, hope its clear enough.
Thank you everyone for your help, I never knew I could get attached to fish until these buggers.
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Recently my rbta decided to float and crash my tank. I removed my picasso pair as soon as I could to a 10 gallon tank as I did not have a system ready. The 10 gallon was my QT system for another new batch of fish in which I was treating. No medications where in the tank during the time I added them in the 10 gallon.
After being inside the system for 2 days, I moved them last night into my 12 gallon. It is only now that I noticed a slight discoloration of the skin. It looks like tiny (by tiny i mean much smaller than ich) more like white mucous covering the skin. Now I'm suspecting its brook, as the fish seem to be showing symptoms such as eating food and spitting it back out.
Origin: From a friend who got them from ORA I believe. They are captive bred, and I have had them for over 6 months.
Some questions:
If left alone, how long till they die? Is death for sure?
Should I FW dip?
What is the recommended dosage of the product I have (FORMALIN 3 / Formaldehyde less than 3% by Kordon)? Dosage recommendations from Kelly on MD forum seems to be 1ml to 1 gallon, while on the bottle its 1tsp per gallon (around 5ml)
How long should I place them in the dip?
Other medications I have in hand: Seachem Focus, Seachem AquaZole (Metro), API Melafix Marine
I also have a Yasha Goby in there, is he 100% guaranteed to get it as well?
Here are more images, hope its clear enough.
Thank you everyone for your help, I never knew I could get attached to fish until these buggers.
LargeAngels
Premium Member
Looks like velvet. Only thing that cures velvet is copper. Do a FW dip. If the spots fall off then it is velvet. If they don't fall off then ich. Hypo can be used for ich ONLY.
If velvet use a copper mediciation like Cupramine. Less toxic than other coppers (not all copper meds are the same) and very affective.
Personally I would just use Cupramine either way. But, DON'T mix Cupramine with formalin. The mixture will kill.
If velvet use a copper mediciation like Cupramine. Less toxic than other coppers (not all copper meds are the same) and very affective.
Personally I would just use Cupramine either way. But, DON'T mix Cupramine with formalin. The mixture will kill.
143gadgets
New member
Updates? How are they doing? Eating yet?
dont treat those fish with copper, they will die in a weakened state,
go hypo ime, take it down to 1.008 fairly quickly, 2 or three big water changes in 2 days, much less stress full, change with ro with ph adjusted to 8.3.
better on the fish will not kill the velvet but the fish will better fight it on there own as they will be less stressed, dont try to eliminate it try to help the fish battle it on their own, feed them, leave them for a month and slowly bring that s.g back up.
it has worked for me.
go hypo ime, take it down to 1.008 fairly quickly, 2 or three big water changes in 2 days, much less stress full, change with ro with ph adjusted to 8.3.
better on the fish will not kill the velvet but the fish will better fight it on there own as they will be less stressed, dont try to eliminate it try to help the fish battle it on their own, feed them, leave them for a month and slowly bring that s.g back up.
it has worked for me.
Pictures still don't look like brook or crypto to me....looking more and more Amyloo (Velvet).
If you have not checked the prior link, please do now:
http://www.petsforum.com/personal/trevor-jones/amyloodinium.html
Jump on the Oama bath in an attempt to confirm the bug. There are at least 3 potential parasites, they are best treated with different methods....Time is one enemy, find true culprit fast to increase odds of success.
If you have not checked the prior link, please do now:
http://www.petsforum.com/personal/trevor-jones/amyloodinium.html
Jump on the Oama bath in an attempt to confirm the bug. There are at least 3 potential parasites, they are best treated with different methods....Time is one enemy, find true culprit fast to increase odds of success.
LargeAngels
Premium Member
Not much better than brook. Velvet is pretty nasty and the parasite multiplies faster than ich.
Yep.
I would not be surprised to find, more clowns die of Amyloo then brook....we just do not diagnose it early enough, hence treat improperly, etc.
I would be dropping toward hypo as well.
Until someone shows me evidence a wounded fish does not receive benefits of a lowered SG, I continue with the practice. Not sure I would go as low as Crypto treatment, but I would get down below 1.017.
Until someone shows me evidence a wounded fish does not receive benefits of a lowered SG, I continue with the practice. Not sure I would go as low as Crypto treatment, but I would get down below 1.017.
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