Is this cyano?

[Bl4ckDr4g0n]

I have been battling this for about a year, I assume its cyano but I just cant seem to rid my tank of this nastiness
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[Valentini89]

I have been battling this for about a year, I assume its cyano but I just cant seem to rid my tank of this nastiness
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Doesn't look like any cyano I've ever had.. but you could get some chemiclean and dose just on the off chance.

 

[Bl4ckDr4g0n]

I tried chemiclean twice, shortly after I started having cleanup crew die off, and my candycane has never been the same

it did make the tank completely algae free for some time, but then hair algae and this red crap just came right back

currently only running lights on dt for 5 hours, tried runnimg gfo to no avail, i cant measure NH3, NO2, or NO3 for ages, PO4 test is hard to discern on the low range but its definitely no higher than .04 Alk is slowly rising since the light period went down, hasnt read below 9 for a month now, Ca is in the 400 to 420 range Mg is in the 1460 range. Im at a total loss as to how to rid myself of this stuff.

I have learned that I need to automate dosing if I want to up the photosynthetic period of the dt, I am just starting to get coraline algae growth, and a more stable alk during the day. its the next planned purchase so I can keep alk and ca stable with lights on all day.

Hoping proper id might result in figuring out how to get rid of this crap

 

[mcgyvr]

yep thats cyano..

 

[Diana A]

^ +1

 

[Coralfuture]

that's cyano in not bad flow but not enough to knock its socks off...I have it too

 

[Bl4ckDr4g0n]

after tearing apart my rockwork to get my deceased kole tang out im feeling like throwing in the towel

 

[Sk8r]

Cyano is easy to fix if you have a good skimmer and a few months' patience: turn the lights of the tank out (do not black out) for 3 days, 4th day on blues, while skimming efficiently. May take 3 months, but this will get it if there's not an ongoing issue like failing lights or sunlight hitting the tank.
As for the lost tang, if you have enough cleanup crew, you don't need to take apart the rockwork. Trust them to take care of the problem, granted you have the requisite 100 gallon tank. If a smaller water volume, a tang is a greater problem.
Chemiclean is risky if you don't have that really super skimmer. And it can kill off microlife. Any med holds risks for one thing because accurately figuring tank volume is tricky, ergo dosage is possibly 'off.'
Try the lights-out trick for a few months. And in a 65, you're better off with clowns, gobies, blennies, dartfish and basslets.

 

[Bl4ckDr4g0n]

I have a vertex 130 but ive never been able to get the thing to skim right, it either skims really wet and light brown in color or it just creates a thick film in the neck. I have done lightss out more than a few times as recently as 2 weeks ago or so. it still just grows like madness even without lights

 

[Bl4ckDr4g0n]

i tested ph and nh3 last night as i watched the tang fade wondering if it was an oxygen issue or if i had an ammonia spike. I used 2 test kits and and nh3 read .1 with one and 0 with the other. neither of which seems high enough to be toxic ive had 0 no2 and no3 for over a year. but hair algae and cyano just cant be gotten rid of. The cyano being the predominant problem.

 

[Sk8r]

What I'm hearing says MAYBE a rock problem (what kind, where from? some can deliver you a load of phosphate)---I'm assuming a ro/di filter on the water... your other readings aren't off. But what about your alkalinity. The tang was really a no-go in a 65, just not a big enough system to let him move; but he shouldn't have died that catastrophically. Check out your alk against the params in my sig line. Something is wrong in the chemistry in what I assume is a year old tank, and the fact that it came back after chemiclean says SOMEHOW the nutrient wasn't cleared out of your tank. That skimmer should have been capable of doing that, and didn't. Test the tds (purity reading) on your ro/di. Maybe a water problem. My two top candidates for your problem are 1) a ro/di problem and 2) maybe a 'bad' rock. I had one 'live rock' turn out to be a critter-coated petroleum tar ball, which I figured when I saw an 'oil slick' atop my water. There has to be an answer to this, and I'd also like to know your alkalinity, re the fish demise. Should be about 8.3.

 

[Bl4ckDr4g0n]

the rock is brs dry pukani, it was cured for 3 months prior to setting up the tank. I just tested alk and its at 9.5 dkh

 

[Bl4ckDr4g0n]

also yes i have an ro/di system tds reads 0 after di. the filters and di were replaced a few months ago. the membrane is probably due to be replaced soon. I know I read several articles saying pukani can leach po4 and suggested an acid wash before cycling. perhaps theres truth to those claims?

 

[Bl4ckDr4g0n]

The previos pic was whats growing in the refugium, heres the dt, not quite what was before tearing it apart. Notice no coraline, but instead there is green algae, red cyano, much improved by the shorter light period, and dark brown film of some sort on the rock. Not exactly what I was hoping for, and no ability to discern what precisely is wrong other than I am in a classic cant test any nutrients but they are clearly there state.
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[Bl4ckDr4g0n]

Also my cleanup crew has been slowly withering away. 5 nassarius gone, 4/6 hermits gone, emerald crab gone, ceriths went from a dozen to a few, although I have several babies in the tank now. That die off began after the second round of chemiclean, so I dont intend to use it again. I also saw no signs of pods anymore and added a bag a few weeks bag. I tried xeobak with coral snow, quit the snow but have been dosing zeobak twice a week along with some live phyto. the refugium in the first pic has only been used over the last few weeks, hoping i could grow chaeto, but it turned into a red stringy mess very quickly. im at a total loss here

 

[deputydawg88]

Cyano is easy to fix if you have a good skimmer and a few months' patience: turn the lights of the tank out (do not black out) for 3 days, 4th day on blues, while skimming efficiently. May take 3 months, but this will get it if there's not an ongoing issue like failing lights or sunlight hitting the tank.
As for the lost tang, if you have enough cleanup crew, you don't need to take apart the rockwork. Trust them to take care of the problem, granted you have the requisite 100 gallon tank. If a smaller water volume, a tang is a greater problem.
Chemiclean is risky if you don't have that really super skimmer. And it can kill off microlife. Any med holds risks for one thing because accurately figuring tank volume is tricky, ergo dosage is possibly 'off.'
Try the lights-out trick for a few months. And in a 65, you're better off with clowns, gobies, blennies, dartfish and basslets.

This may seem like a silly question but is the lights-out trick 3 days off, 4th day on, 3 days off etc for a few months or is it a once a month thing?

I have some yellow polyps, will they need to be target fed during this period or would ambient light be fine?

 

[Bl4ckDr4g0n]

thats actually a good question, and for my radeon is it just the blue channel and no purple or uv?

 

[mcgyvr]

This may seem like a silly question but is the lights-out trick 3 days off, 4th day on, 3 days off etc for a few months or is it a once a month thing?

I have some yellow polyps, will they need to be target fed during this period or would ambient light be fine?

For cyano its basically a one time thing.. Lights off/dark period for 3 days then back to your normal 6-12 hour lighting schedule..

No on/off/on off..
Just 3 days off thats it.. You can try that every few weeks but many times 1 time is enough..
Always best to siphon out as much as you can before and after the lights out..

 

[mcgyvr]

And blackdragon..
How old is your tank?

Your algae/cyano issues are very minimal and your tank just doesn't seem to be too "teaming with life" as it should..
Frankly thats probably from you over adjusting/attempting to tackle even the smallest issues..
Let the tank get dirty.. shut off the skimmer or something..
ditch the filter socks..
Just seems like an immature tank thats lacking nutrients....

Do you have fish? or what..
Give some more info about whats in the tank.. how old it is,etc...
Do you just have a few tiny frags and thats it?

 

[Bl4ckDr4g0n]

tank is a little over a year since i finished the cycle. I have 2 clowns and a six line, and 7 small frags. i cycled using the red sea kit which included nopox and my nutrients dove to 0 and had issues with bacteria blooms when i dosed the nopox so i ended up ditching the nopox and have been battling cyano since