Italy's Best! Matured SPS Aquariums.

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8692051#post8692051 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DarkXerox
Ieri sera ho visto la vasca di Bisck a Firenze. Ho fatto tante foto e domani devo metterle in questa conversazione.

Yesterday I saw Bisck's tank in Florence and it was great! I took a lot of photos and I will post them tomorrow. FYI, he does not use HGH at all, yet has massive growth in just a year.

Did you fly to Italy for the weekend?

Cant wait to see the pics. Now that you saw it in person, do you feel HGH is needed?
 
I read the entire thread, lol.

I am going to try it without HGH when the artical comes out and I can get more information and if a aquarium specific product becomes availible in the US I will do that.
 
So I read most of this thread and this is what I have gleaned:

All of the basic stuff is done of course (heavy skimming circulation, lighting etc)

ph 8.4-8.5
dkh 12
mg 1500
ca 500
Sr - varies
Iodine .06

Then they feed a mussle, clam, shrimp based food with fructose as a carbon source with or without growth hormone as an amino acid supplement.

Fed with skimmer turned off.

Correct me if any of this is wrong.

I missed the dose of the shellfish/fructose food mix. Can anyone elaborate on how it is used a bit more or simply quote a previous post. i.e. I see the various formulas but how much of that mix is typically used daily?

thanks,

Pete
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8697084#post8697084 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Herpervet
So I read most of this thread and this is what I have gleaned:

All of the basic stuff is done of course (heavy skimming circulation, lighting etc)

ph 8.4-8.5
dkh 12
mg 1500
ca 500
Sr - varies
Iodine .06

Then they feed a mussle, clam, shrimp based food with fructose as a carbon source with or without growth hormone as an amino acid supplement.

Fed with skimmer turned off.

Correct me if any of this is wrong.

I missed the dose of the shellfish/fructose food mix. Can anyone elaborate on how it is used a bit more or simply quote a previous post. i.e. I see the various formulas but how much of that mix is typically used daily?

thanks,

Pete

Ciao, è tutto esatto.
La dose di fruttosio o di saccarosio in genere è di 1 cucchiaio da cucina, quelli grandi, non quelli da thè, per ogni pappone, quindi và diluito insieme a 250 ml di acqua di ro, cozze, vongole ecc ecc e poi si frulla tutto insieme.
in genere si utilizza 1/2 cubetto ogni 3 giorni, per una vasca ricca di coralli, con una capacità di 400 litri. Tutto dipende però da come il sistema riesce a metabolizzare il pappone. Se i valori rimangono stabili, allora è possibile aumentare la dose di frullato, se i nutrienti si alzano, allora è meglio diminuire la dose.
ciao
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8695273#post8695273 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by invincible569
Did you fly to Italy for the weekend?

Cant wait to see the pics. Now that you saw it in person, do you feel HGH is needed?

Ed, il hgh non è necessario, è solo un aiuto in più che permette una maggiore crescita, ma non è indispensabile! puoi usarlo o no...dipende da come decidi di condurre la vasca.
la vasca di Bisk, è senza hgh.
ciao
 
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Hello, he is all exact.
The dose of fructose or saccarosio generally is of 1 spoon from kitchen, those large ones, not those from thè, for every glutton, therefore và diluted with to 250 mililiter of water of ro, cozze, vongole etc etc and then frulla all together.
generally one uses 1/2 cubetto every 3 days, for one rich coral bathtub, with one ability to 400 liters. All it depends but from as the system succeeds in metabolizzare the glutton. If the values remain stable, then it is possible to increase the dose of frullato, if the nourishing are raised, then is better to diminish the dose.
hello

Posted by Sir
And, the hgh it is not necessary, it is only an aid in more that it allows a greater increase, but is not indispensable! you can use it or not...it depends from as you decide to lead the bathtub.
the bathtub of Bisk, is without hgh.
hello

Hope this helps out...............Now after reading all this I am starting to get confused :)
 
Sir:

So the total volume of the mix is around 250 ml and that is frozen in ice cube trays? Then feed 1/2 ice cube every 3 days.

Is there any way to get pic's of some of these ice cube's? They are not standard and 1/2 cube will differ depending on the ice cube tray.

It sounds like we have a reasonable idea on where to start.

Thanks!!!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8695273#post8695273 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by invincible569
Did you fly to Italy for the weekend?

Cant wait to see the pics. Now that you saw it in person, do you feel HGH is needed?

No I've been in Florence for the last 3 months, I'm studying abroad. I think this whole HGH thing is pretty ridiculous since you could do the same thing just dosing amino acids (much cheaper I might add). The hormone itself is just broken down in the water column. I have a feeling that the act of feeding the tank the mix of food as well as the good husbandry is the cause for the growth.
 
I tend to agree that HGH is in all likelihood a poor return on the investment. Good husbandry yields its standard rewards.

My bet is that the added carbon source is one of the keys to this method however.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8698921#post8698921 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Herpervet
I tend to agree that HGH is in all likelihood a poor return on the investment. Good husbandry yields its standard rewards.

My bet is that the added carbon source is one of the keys to this method however.

I would agree also. People got excited because it sounded like another magic bullet.


Here is a picture of Bisck's tank that I took a couple days ago. But I took all the photos off of my crappy camera and they didn't come out well. The colors are way darker than they are in real life, because this tank glows:
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8698513#post8698513 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Herpervet
Sir:

So the total volume of the mix is around 250 ml and that is frozen in ice cube trays? Then feed 1/2 ice cube every 3 days.

Is there any way to get pic's of some of these ice cube's? They are not standard and 1/2 cube will differ depending on the ice cube tray.

It sounds like we have a reasonable idea on where to start.

Thanks!!!

Ciao,
-il volume finale è di circa 260-270 ml...(250 ml di acqua + i molluschi, lo zucchero) .
-1/2 cubetto ogni 3 giorni....giusto! per una vasca da 400 litri e ben popolata.
Appena posso inserisco una foto.
ciao
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8698817#post8698817 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DarkXerox
No I've been in Florence for the last 3 months, I'm studying abroad. I think this whole HGH thing is pretty ridiculous since you could do the same thing just dosing amino acids (much cheaper I might add). The hormone itself is just broken down in the water column. I have a feeling that the act of feeding the tank the mix of food as well as the good husbandry is the cause for the growth.

Una miscela di amminoacidi qualunque promuove una buona crescita, ma non è la stessa cosa che comporta il gh. Anche io non uso il gh, ma ho notato differenza tra aggiungere semplici amminoacidi e aggiungere l'ormone.
Comunque, come ho già scritto, non è necessario l'utilizzo dell'ormone, ma non è nemmeno paragonabile a un integratore qualsiasi di amminoacidi.
ciao
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8699447#post8699447 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sir
Eccola.
ciao

my.php

Does this picture illustrate one entire batch?

If this is the case then I can extrapolate that 1 cube equals 11.25ml of the food mix.

So your dose is acutually about 5ml of this mix every 3 days per 400liters or approximately 5ml per 100 gallons.

Now we are getting somewhere!

Anyone using this method might want to measure the volume of their ice cubes by filling up one of the wells from a syringe so you know approximately how much you are giving.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8531666#post8531666 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by invincible569
Tell me about it.

Makes me wonder if any of these tanks are using the Steroid method talked about a couple yrs ago, heavy feeding using Oyster Blood proteins and so on.

I don't understand that.

What is "The Steroid method"?, and what is "Oyster Blood proteins"?

Greetings
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8699663#post8699663 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Herpervet
Does this picture illustrate one entire batch?

If this is the case then I can extrapolate that 1 cube equals 11.25ml of the food mix.

So your dose is acutually about 5ml of this mix every 3 days per 400liters or approximately 5ml per 100 gallons.

Now we are getting somewhere!

Anyone using this method might want to measure the volume of their ice cubes by filling up one of the wells from a syringe so you know approximately how much you are giving.

Quello rappresenta la quantità che si ricava da 250 ml di acqua, cozze, vongole ecc ecc ....circa 24 cubetti...si utilizza 1/2 cubetto ogni 3 giorni...
Quindi 260 ml (250 ml +mollushi) / 24 cubetti = 10.8 ml ...che rappresenta la quantità in ml di 1 cubetto.
Se ne utilizzano, all'inizio, 1/2 cubetto, quindi circa 5.5 ml.
Non sarei comunque molto "fiscale" su questo aspetto...5-6 ml ogni 3 giorni....
Comunque è più semplice utilizzare direttamente 1/2 cubetto, che misurare 5.5 ml con una siringa...appunto per comodità si dice 1/2 cubetto....

Io sono arrivato a dosare anche 1 cubetto al giorno su 400 litri, ma è un processo lento e che richiede molta attenzione da parte del gestore, per evitare che i nutrienti si alzino.
ciao
 
someone will be along to translate...hes from italy..to answer your question about what is the steroid method..this whole thread ia about it aka hgh
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8698817#post8698817 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DarkXerox
No I've been in Florence for the last 3 months, I'm studying abroad. I think this whole HGH thing is pretty ridiculous since you could do the same thing just dosing amino acids (much cheaper I might add). The hormone itself is just broken down in the water column. I have a feeling that the act of feeding the tank the mix of food as well as the good husbandry is the cause for the growth.


another part of it though is high levels of Ca, Alk, and Mg. Combine that with the high protien food and the good husbandry and that is where the growth comes from.
 
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