Italy's Best! Matured SPS Aquariums.

[trueblackpercula]

posted by Sir
Hello,
they are in agreement...the feeding stà to the base of the good resolution in the acropore cultivation....
as I have already repeated various times the gh is not necessary, but he is a something in more that greater increase promotes one....also I have said that you can only use it for little months....and that therefore it is not necessary to have of the giganteschi Aquarius.....the method can even be taken advantage of in order to only increase the increase when large talee are had not much...subsequently it is continued to feeding with a simple glutton...nobody prohibits it. Also I do not use it. I have used in past.

I do not understand this phrase...someone can tradurla for me??? thanks!

“definitely need bigger tanks you all to are killin it!"

hello!

 

[Herpervet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8720524#post8720524 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sir
Ciao,
bè anche su questo non è necessario essere troppo precisi...se sono troppo grandi magari si riduce un pò la quantità...invece di 5 se ne mettono 4...oppure si riduce un pò la quantità di pappone che viene dato alla vasca...sei libero di gestire come vuoi la ricetta...a seconda delle tue esigenze....è un metodo di alimentazione, molto molto semplice...e facilmente gestibile!
ciao

From my minimal grasp of root words I think you are saying: " No need to be so precise."

From your experience how important is the sugar? I should think it is key to keeping nitrates and phosphates low.

Thanks again. I am in awe of what you guys have accomplished.

Pete

 

[Sir]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8721423#post8721423 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Herpervet
From my minimal grasp of root words I think you are saying: " No need to be so precise."

From your experience how important is the sugar? I should think it is key to keeping nitrates and phosphates low.

Thanks again. I am in awe of what you guys have accomplished.

Pete

Non vi nascondo che per me è molto complicato leggere il vostro inglese..quindi spero di aver capito quello che mi chiedi!
lo zucchero, parlo semplicemente di quello da cucina, è un aspetto molto interessante da considerare....
è ottimo, come tu stesso hai detto, per mantenere i nutrienti bassi...deve essere però attentamente dosato, e anche in quetso caso è necessaria la preparzione di chi conduce la vasca...
ad esempio sono riuscito a abbassare i fosfati di una vasca da 1 a 0.5 mg/l in 2 giorni...mettendo solo zucchero...questa procedura però è molto rischiosa se non si è ben attenti...infatti si corre il rischio, in caso di sovradosaggio, di avere un esplosione batterica nel momento in cui si riduce la somministrazione, o nel momento in cui ci sia una flora batterica scarsa...e quindi è possibile che ci si ritrovi con l'acqua totalmente bianca! basta aggiungere un integratore batterico e dopo 1-2 giorni tutto torna alla normalità..però sono "esperimenti" che solo persone preparate posso fare...è sconsigliabile per un neofita...
messo nel pappone, lo zucchero, aiuta l'assimilazione delle componenti stesse del pappone...aiuta quindi la flora batterica, fornendo una alimetazione che permette un aumento della flora stessa...un maggiornumero di batteri comporta una maggior metabolismo delle sostanze presenti in vasca...lo skimmer quindi schiuma di più, in quanto si ha una forte eliminzaione proprio di questa flora batterica....di conseguenza i batteri assimilano fosfati e lo skimmer elimina i batteri.....quindi i fosfati si abbassano!
inoltre un aumento del batterioplancton comporta una alimentazione migliore degli sps...
quindi nelle giuste dosi, lo zucchero è molto utile!
le foto delle vasche postate qui, adottano diversi tipi di conduzione...quindi quello che io vi illustro è quello che originariamente è stato ideato da Manili....ma ce ne sono altri che comunque possono funzionare ugualmente bene..ognuno di questi però ha le sue caratteristiche...
un saluto! ciao

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[trueblackpercula]

Posted by Sir
I do not hide to you that for me it is much complicating to read your English..therefore I hope to have understood what you ask to me!
the sugar, I speak simply about that from kitchen, is an aspect a lot interesting to consider....
it is optimal, as same you have said, in order to maintain the nourishing low...it must but carefully be dosed, and also in quetso case the preparzione of who is necessary leads the bathtub...
as an example they are successful to lower phosphates of one bathtub from 1 to 0.5 mg/l in 2 days...only putting sugar...this procedure but is much rischiosa if it is not very attention...in fact the risk is run, in case of overdosage, having a bacterial outbreak in the moment in which the somministrazione is reduced , or in the moment in which insufficient bacterial flora is one...and therefore it is possible that us meetings with the water totally white woman! enough to add a bacterial integrator and after 1-2 days all it returns to normality..but they are “experiments” that only prepared persons can make...he is sconsigliabile for a neophyte...
put in the glutton, the sugar, the assimilation of the same members of the glutton helps...the bacterial flora helps therefore, supplying a alimetazione that allows an increase of the same flora...a maggiornumero of bacteria involves one greater metabolism of the present substances in bathtub...skimmer therefore the foam more, in how much has one strongly eliminzaione just of this bacterial flora....consequently the bacteria assimilate phosphates and the skimmer it eliminates the bacteria.....therefore the phosphates are lowered!
moreover an increase of the batterioplancton involves one better feeding of the sps...
therefore in the just doses, the sugar is much profit!
the photos of the postate bathtubs here, adopt various types of conduction...therefore what I illustrate to you it is what originally it has been devised from Manili....but us of they are others that however can work equally well..everyone of these but has its characteristics...
a salute! hello

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hey Sir thanks for all the help
Michael

 

[Sir]

Grazie a te per le traduzioni Michael!

 

[fload]

Lol don't you love computer translators bathtub = fishtank.... thanks for throwing them in here tho (tru black) I'm on my sidekick at work internets slow saves me a lot of time....

 

[trueblackpercula]

No problem Sir
I have been following this tread from the start and love it:0
Michael

 

[jpierson77]

So this food mix is added plus ammino acids? Or is just the food mix added? Think I might have missed something in all the translations, and 18 pages of info! If ammino acids are added what are they?

 

[Herpervet]

jpierson: The theory is that the Human growth hormone is broken down into amino acids that are utilized by the corals. They are dosing the growth hormone along with sugar and shellfish. The recipe is a couple of pages back.

Apparently some folks in Italy are trying to figure out which amino acids so that you could simply use those instead of the Hgh.

At any rate there are folks that are having great success using the diet, sugar but no Hgh.

 

[jpierson77]

Ok, that makes sense now! Im going to make up some food and see what that does for me. Seems it should help all natural high quality food full of protiens, and possibly cheaper to make than buy prepared stuff from my LFS. Thanks for the reply

 

[Herpervet]

Don't forget:
Ca- 500
mg-1500
alk-12
ph 8.3-8.4
sr-30

I forgot but they also watch iodine. You will have to find the original post for that one. I think it is .06.

 

[Sir]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8745022#post8745022 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Herpervet
Don't forget:
Ca- 500
mg-1500
alk-12
ph 8.3-8.4
sr-30

I forgot but they also watch iodine. You will have to find the original post for that one. I think it is .06.

Sr 16-30
I2 0,06
bye

 

[Sir]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8744325#post8744325 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Herpervet
jpierson: The theory is that the Human growth hormone is broken down into amino acids that are utilized by the corals. They are dosing the growth hormone along with sugar and shellfish. The recipe is a couple of pages back.

Apparently some folks in Italy are trying to figure out which amino acids so that you could simply use those instead of the Hgh.

At any rate there are folks that are having great success using the diet, sugar but no Hgh.

Esattamente!
questa è la vasca di alberto santilli, senza gh...

 

[solbby]

Is there any evidence that corals have receptors for HGH? Is HGH stable and functional at the pH, salt concentration, and temperature that an aquarium is kept at, since the internal human environment is quite different than the internal aquarium environment?

Is there any science backing the use of HGH for growth on species besides mammals, i.e. do human hormones have the ability to cross species gaps as vast as that between humans and corals.

Anyway these are rhetorical questions, :lol: .

BTW, nice tanks, too bad the voodoo has to interject.

 

[solbby]

If the theory is that HGH is broken down to amino acids then why not use BSA? BSA = Bovine serum albumin. Much less expensive, highly concentrated in amino acids when degraded, readily available, and less wasteful from a human perspective, but I guess Italy is a rich country with lots of recombinant genetic labs at the aquarist's beckon call. But then again why use a protein at all, since pharmacies sells amino acids?

 

[Sparkss]

They already stated somewhere in this thread that some are working to identify the individual amino acids so that they could be dosed separately, without the "need" for using HGH

 

[invincible569]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8748491#post8748491 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by solbby
If the theory is that HGH is broken down to amino acids then why not use BSA? BSA = Bovine serum albumin. Much less expensive, highly concentrated in amino acids when degraded, readily available, and less wasteful from a human perspective, but I guess Italy is a rich country with lots of recombinant genetic labs at the aquarist's beckon call. But then again why use a protein at all, since pharmacies sells amino acids?

Hey Solbby! Nice to see you again!

What would it take to get some lab tests on what we are discussing here? maybe you can show us proof just like you did in the past with ZEOvit.

 

[danskim]

Very nice!

 

[Henry Bowman]

Invincible569

Where can I find the information on Zeovit that you referenced in your last post?

 

[solbby]

Hi invincible!!! What would you want to test? specifically? Right now I am doing a bacterial analysis of different aquariums bacterioplankton populations. I have about 10 tanks involved, and would like to involve a zeovit system run tank.

As for amino acids, I know where I would start. I am sure that many here have already seen this paper.

Interactions between zooplankton feeding, photosynthesis and skeletal growth in the scleractinian coral Stylophora pistillata.

Fanny Houlbrèque, Eric Tambutté, Denis Allemand and Christine Ferrier-Pagès





Summary



We investigated the effect of zooplankton feeding on tissue and skeletal growth of the scleractinian coral Stylophora pistillata. Microcolonies were divided into two groups: starved corals (SC), which were not fed during the experiment, and fed corals (FC), which were abundantly fed with Artemia salina nauplii and freshly collected zooplankton. Changes in tissue growth, photosynthesis and calcification rates were measured after 3 and 8 weeks of incubation. Calcification is the deposition of both an organic matrix and a calcium carbonate layer, so we measured the effect of feeding on both these parameters, using incorporation of 14C-aspartic acid and 45Ca, respectively. Aspartic acid is one of the major components of the organic matrix in scleractinian corals. For both sampling times, protein concentrations were twice as high in FC than in SC (0.73 vs 0.42 mg Pâ€"œ1 cmâ€"œ2 skeleton) and chlorophyll c2 concentrations were 3â€"œ4 times higher in fed corals (2.1±0.3 µg cmâ€"œ2). Cell specific density (CSD), which corresponds to the number of algal cells inside a host cell, was also significantly higher in FC (1.416±0.028) than in SC (1.316±0.015). Fed corals therefore displayed a higher rate of photosynthesis per unit area (Pgmax= 570±60 nmol O2 cmâ€"œ2 hâ€"œ1 and Ik=403±27 µmol photons mâ€"œ2 sâ€"œ1). After 8 weeks, both light and dark calcification rates were twofold greater in FC (3323±508 and 416±58 nmol Ca2+ 2 hâ€"œ1 gâ€"œ1 dry skeletal mass) compared to SC (1560±217 and 225±35 nmol Ca2+ 2 hâ€"œ1 gâ€"œ1 dry skeletal mass, respectively, under light and dark conditions). Aspartic acid incorporation rates were also significantly higher in FC (10.44±0.69 and 1.36± 0.26%RAV 2 hâ€"œ1 gâ€"œ1 dry skeletal mass, where RAV is total radioactivity initially present in the external medium) than in SC (6.51±0.45 and 0.44±0.02%RAV 2 hâ€"œ1 gâ€"œ1 dry skeletal mass under dark and light conditions, respectively). Rates of dark aspartic acid incorporation were lower than the rates measured in the light. Our results suggest that the increase in the rates of calcification in fed corals might be induced by a feeding-stimulation of organic matrix synthesis.



Extracted from:

Journal of Experimental Biology 207, 1461-1469 (2004)

Feeding has also been shown to enhance sketetal growth, suggesting that corals allocate a high proportion of the energy brought by food to calcification processes. It is important to note that calcification is also a dual process, involving the secretion of an organic matrix and the deposition of a CaCO3 fraction. The presence of an organic matrix in coral skeletons is widely documented and is considered an essential prerequisite in the formation of a biomineral structure. This matrix potentially plays key roles in various processes such as crystal nucleation and growth, crystal size and orientation and regulation of skeletal formation. Cuif et al (1999) demonstrated that the composition of the matrix was different between symbiotic and asymbiotic corals, and Allemand et al. (1998) suggested that heterotrophy is a source of aspartic acid, once of the major components of the coral matrix.

From another part of the paper.

..... Allemand et al. (1998) also showed that no aspartic acid pool was present inside the coral tissue, suggesting the need for a constant supply from an exogenous source. By using 14C-aspartic acid as a precursor for organic matrix synthesis, we measured a higher incorporation of this amino acid into the organic matrix of fed corals.............