Italy's Best! Matured SPS Aquariums.

[Sir]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8842827#post8842827 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Roadtoad
Sir, Solbby or other Bio-geeks reading this,

I was thinking about this Aspartic acid thing this past week and thought of two areas where Asp might be active in calcium growth. First, and most likely, There is a paper that suggests that Asp stabilizes CaCO3 in solution at levels above super-saturation. The concentration of Asp was pretty high in the experiments. Corals may take advantage of this and use high concentrations of Asp in areas of active Ca deposition.

Alternatively, I was remembering my biochem the other day and thought that Asp might be used in generating energy for Ca depositon. In this scenario, Asp might be deaminated to oxaloacetate for use in the Kreb's cycle (similar to Alanine and pyruvate)? This would point to the effect of Asp in energy availability. If this is true, dosing oxaloacetate or even pyruvate might have the same effects.

Ciao

Ciao..
partiamo dal presupposto che maggiore è la sintesi proteica, maggiore è la calcificazione.
Inibire la sintesi proteica comporta una forte diminuzione della calcificazione.
Allemand e altri hanno notato che ridurre del 60-85% la sintesi proteica porta a una riduzione del 50% della calcificazione.
Quindi un corretto apporto di amminoacidi è necessario affinche la sintesi proteica sia sempre ai massimi livelli.
L'acido aspartico non viene prodotto ne dal corallo in sè, ne dalle zooxantelle...quindi una ofnte esterna è necessaria...
sò che è correlato alla calcificazione e che quindi una sua integrazione aiuta ad aumentare i livelli di crescita..ma sinceramente come può farlo non lo sò....
Probabilmente stabilizza i livelli di CaCO3, oppure entra nel ciclo di krebs...
Eventualmente si riuscirebbe a trovare piruvato da dosareai coralli??? non sò...preferirei comunque mettere ac. aspartico piuttosto che piruvato....
ciao!!!!

 

[Roadtoad]

Sir, I agree, although there is a correlation between coral growth, calcium deposition and protein synthesis. That is why I think that Asp is doing something different. It is hard to imagine that Asp would be limiting while Pappone is being fed.

I cant wait to get a tank set up so I can try this out! I should have a small (100L) tank full of water this weekend.

 

[DarkXerox]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8842484#post8842484 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gdm42001
So, do I want
10 g of Red Algae and/or 10 g of Spirulina, and 10 g of Nori
for a total of 30 grams

anybody?

For now just try the red algae and the spriulina since they are less "stringy" than the nori. Best to keep it simple.

Ah so if i understood Sir correctly, aspartic acid is not made in corals, nor the zooxanthelle, and therefore must be obtained from external sources (like how humans and guinea pigs cant produce vitamin C). I'll have to bug my molecular bio professor about this to see what he thinks. However, I know very little about invertebrate zoology and given the relationship between the zooxanthelle and the coral, they might have a much more complex way of making and processing energy than say animal cells would.

 

[Sir]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8847921#post8847921 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Roadtoad
Sir, I agree, although there is a correlation between coral growth, calcium deposition and protein synthesis. That is why I think that Asp is doing something different. It is hard to imagine that Asp would be limiting while Pappone is being fed.

I cant wait to get a tank set up so I can try this out! I should have a small (100L) tank full of water this weekend.

perfect!!!!
io proverò sulla mia vasca l'ac. aspartico...poi ti faccio sapere...penso di dosarlo 2 volte a settimana....non sò ancora in che dose....

ci aggiorniamo!

ciao

 

[gdm42001]

Thank You DarkXerox

 

[bogg]

Are these things available?.

 

[Laakmann]

I have been using this system for a 3 or 4 weeks now but without HGH and instead just an amino acid suppliment from a grocery store. I also am doing raised level of, Ca at 475 ppm, Mg at 1450 ppm, and Alk at 11 dKH

Euphyllia growth is insane, I have a frogspawn that went from 4 heads to 8 clear heads in a week and a half! The rest of my euphillia are also growing faster than before.

I didnt notice any difference in growth from the moti caps and digitas I own.

A Goniapora I have as doubled in size as well from a 2in base to 4in.

This is a new tank so it doesnt have alot of livestock in it, a week ago I got 12 SPS Frags though.



I am doing about 2 icecubes, (around 30ml each) per week.

 

[bbillyc]

Hi Laakman

Are you putting in the amino acids a couple of hours before the mixture? How much are you using?

Thanks

 

[DarkXerox]

Laakmann thats really cool to hear. I remember hearing that the LPS did very well with this method too (which really surprised me considering the "meaty" chunks we usually feed them). How are your PO4 and NO3 levels faring with your bi-weekly 30mL dosing (considering thats about 4x more feeding)?

 

[toddlaco]

Awesome looking tanks. I guess the Italians are doing something right... I just printed this thread to read later. It's kind of hard to read 25 pages looking at a monitor.

I am currently in the process of setting up a True Red Sea biotope and having a very hard time finding true Red Sea SPS coral. After stumbling on this thread I was thinking that some of the Italians posting in this thread may have access to Red Sea Coral.

If anyone has contacts that I can buy Red Sea coral from, or maybe buy some Red Sea frags from someone I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[trueblackpercula]

try here............
http://www.reefermadness.us/RM-AquaCultured.htm

 

[toddlaco]

True, thanks for the link.

I just spoke with one of my wholesalers in LA and he said that there are no CITES permits to harvest anything but fish from the Red Sea. No coral or inverts, fish only.

I will have to get coral from elsewhere (Indo, Fiji) that are the same species as those from the Red Sea. I really wanted this to be 100% genuine, but it likes like that will be impossible.

 

[Laakmann]

I still havnt seen a positive on nitrate or phosphate since I started although I did start slow. I am not doing the amino acid before, I just put it in the tank when the halides turn off and I set my skimmer on a feeding timer so it will be off for 3hrs.

 

[trueblackpercula]

The feedings are meant for once a Week or once a Month?
Michael
P.S. I will be starting to make the batch this weekend as I have all the ingredients and I mean All

 

[Robert Patterso]

the guys in Italy we're or are feeding as much as 3x a week. Really depends on load or corals and their needs.

 

[trueblackpercula]

How on earth would you be able to shut down the skimmer for 2 to 3 hours a feeding? These guys do not work thats for sure there job has to be feeding there tanks
Michael

 

[Aqua Keepers]

feeding timer

 

[Robert Patterso]

They don't shut down the skimmer, they remove the skimmer cup for the night. That way the O2 levels stay up. That's what I do, just remove the cup, then put it back on in the morning. I'm feeding once a week for a month, then will start twice a week for a month. I feed again tomorrow nite. Have already seen results in my acro/sps. Several show signs of new growth in the way of new corallites/branches. They have never looked better. Made a batch with all ingredients including 500mg of gln. One batch will last me for 6-8 months. Very cool idea.

Has anybody heard when the Italians will put out the article on they're findings about all this. Would like to see what they're findings are on the AA's.

 

[trueblackpercula]

when you say remove the collection cup were does the waste go ? on the floor? here is a picture of my set up. leave the skimmer on but what happens to the skimate? why can't i lower my gate valve so that the skimate does not climb up the skimmer and into the skimmer collection cup?
Michael

 

[Robert Patterso]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8882143#post8882143 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by trueblackpercula
when you say remove the collection cup were does the waste go ? on the floor? here is a picture of my set up. leave the skimmer on but what happens to the skimate? why can't i lower my gate valve so that the skimate does not climb up the skimmer and into the skimmer collection cup?
Michael

Uh well yeah, in your case taking the skimmer cup off might get a little messy, so yeah you can lower the water level.