Moser
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Who is going to deliver that proof??... If the SPS Guru's such as Darryl, Tony etc etc aren't going to do it, who is?. Who has the skills to actually do it??...
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Mo
It's time, let's see those SPS tanks using LEDs 1 year or longer
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Who is going to deliver that proof??... If the SPS Guru's such as Darryl, Tony etc etc aren't going to do it, who is?. Who has the skills to actually do it??...
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Mo
Jaysreefworld
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This thread is keeping me occupied, IMO tho, Led, t5, and Mh all grow and color sps corals. It just depends on what outcome you are wanting. Leds are more eye appealing, and convenient to the hobbyist. While Mh and T5 are for the hobbyist that wants a better growth rate and the best success with sps corals.
But thats just My opinion
But thats just My opinion
Moser
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That's just what I mean MH and T5 are for those who want best success.
How do you judge this??.
If Steve Weast set up a led SPS tank and failed, I'd buy your story.
Ehsans tank is up there with the best, unless somebody can tell me why it isn't ??.
Mo
Because MadRed failed at LEDs obviously!
reef bloke
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I don't personally feel its LED's that haven't come of age but how they are put into use by us hobbyists. LED's are deceptive, the spectral plot of the majority of units are biased in the blue end of the spectra corals use.
300 PAR from a BLV halide for instance may be scattered across a spectral graph meaning that 30% of that light in the red/green end might not be being used by certain corals.
In comparison 300 PAR from an LED unit derived mainly from the blue end of the spectrum may nearly be completely utilised.
Both 300 PAR but the coral may end up bleached under the LED unit. Add to this that blue light looks visually dimmer to our human eyes and we may come to the conclusion LED's are dimmer than our old set up and run them at high settings thus frying the corals.
The addition of red, green LED's may help our human eyes gauge this better and possibly equalise spectral PAR but im not sure it does a great deal for the coral itself.
So in short the more people run LED the larger the knowledge base and the more people will learn to use this new tool better.
Just my opinion.
300 PAR from a BLV halide for instance may be scattered across a spectral graph meaning that 30% of that light in the red/green end might not be being used by certain corals.
In comparison 300 PAR from an LED unit derived mainly from the blue end of the spectrum may nearly be completely utilised.
Both 300 PAR but the coral may end up bleached under the LED unit. Add to this that blue light looks visually dimmer to our human eyes and we may come to the conclusion LED's are dimmer than our old set up and run them at high settings thus frying the corals.
The addition of red, green LED's may help our human eyes gauge this better and possibly equalise spectral PAR but im not sure it does a great deal for the coral itself.
So in short the more people run LED the larger the knowledge base and the more people will learn to use this new tool better.
Just my opinion.
M007
Acro Whore
Well said. With all new technology there is a learning curve. The title of this thread pretty much doomed it from the beginning as it will take another year at least for the dust to settle and more experiences to come forward. I for one embrace new technology and look forward to all that LED will offer.
MedRed
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Ehsan's tank is not popping colours?..... Can I see pictures of your tank please. It must be awesome. Sorry I missed it if I have.....
Here are a few from Ehsan's LED tank.
Thanks
Mo
The colony in the 2nd picture exists in both pictures. look at the difference in color between the two pictures. The bigger pictures shows that coral as brown and purple... COME ON MAN!!! can someone link this tank for me? tried searching and couldn't find it.
by fail you mean came to his senses.
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Big E
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Mo,
Did you read my comments about pastel colored systems.........I'm not a fan of 'em regardless of light. I'm not sure what it is I'm evaluating? Yes, they look good if you like all your acros pastel & use zeo.
This is my concern quoted above from my other post.........
"everytime I've seen these only LED tanks, where's the popping red & for a lesser matter pink.? I've seen a lot of pink stylos & bird nest, but the acros are always flat looking unless they are blue, green or dark purple."
"Green acros always pop the most under these LED tanks."
Montis seem be fine, but not all acros look good.
Which of these red hyacinthus tables would you rather have?
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Did you read my comments about pastel colored systems.........I'm not a fan of 'em regardless of light. I'm not sure what it is I'm evaluating? Yes, they look good if you like all your acros pastel & use zeo.
This is my concern quoted above from my other post.........
"everytime I've seen these only LED tanks, where's the popping red & for a lesser matter pink.? I've seen a lot of pink stylos & bird nest, but the acros are always flat looking unless they are blue, green or dark purple."
"Green acros always pop the most under these LED tanks."
Montis seem be fine, but not all acros look good.
Which of these red hyacinthus tables would you rather have?
MH & supplements--
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Big E
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Mo,
Here's the pic you just posted..........why is that red table in the upper right corner so flat & bland when the green acro & the blue tip green acro just above it are popping?
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Don't misinterpret me.................I'm exited about LEDs but I'm not satisfied yet. This thread on the local site has a great video & some of my thoughts in that thread. I'm no expert on that stuff but I can read charts & evaluate things. Watch the video it's very good.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2195086
Also here's an article by Dana Riddle that will help you understand corals have different pigments & will only flourece under the correct conditions for that pigment.
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/1/aafeature1
Here's the pic you just posted..........why is that red table in the upper right corner so flat & bland when the green acro & the blue tip green acro just above it are popping?
Don't misinterpret me.................I'm exited about LEDs but I'm not satisfied yet. This thread on the local site has a great video & some of my thoughts in that thread. I'm no expert on that stuff but I can read charts & evaluate things. Watch the video it's very good.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2195086
Also here's an article by Dana Riddle that will help you understand corals have different pigments & will only flourece under the correct conditions for that pigment.
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/1/aafeature1
Big E
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This is the second time someone called me out in this thread about my tank. Why does it matter?? If you read my other posts in this thread you can read what I'm striving for.
My current tank is mostly frags & small colonies except for a few. I sold most of my colonies a few years back & re-started. It's currently a holding tank, but I'm happy with the colors. I don't want to switch to LED only & have to fight the units because they aren't designed right. It's hard enough to keep corals healthy, colorful & happy.
I fight all the same issues everyone else does to have a nice tank......I have a standard for myself I want to meet, not compare someone's tank to mine, so I can say mine looks better.
Anyways heres the link of what I have now, which I posted earlier----------
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2197142
Asureef
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Med, it's one of zoevit "Dream Tank of the Quarter". Evan Tsang
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karsseboom
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One example? and a zeovit at that? healthy zeovit tanks have amazing color compared to a non zeovit tank. This would be the best of the best. Let's take a closer look at this tank...
look at the color of the sand...
Did you look at any of the zeovit tanks on that site not using LEDs? All of the non LED Zeovit tanks have much better color. That LED tank still displays the classic muted, homogenous colors when put in perspective with similar tanks. This may be fine or even ideal for some, but it gets sad when you think about this is as good as its going to get. Just as with non zeovit systems... the traditional lighting shows that there is a level in color above what LEDs are capable of.
I agree. The nicest zeo tanks all run t5 NOT LEDs.
MedRed
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That's Esan's tank?
Asureef
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Oops.. I just now saw it was already posted on the previous page. :crazy1:
I found his build thread very detailed, perhaps you did not follow it?
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1908402
Look at your own tank, lit with Radiums and compare your colors with what you see in most LED tanks, honestly, I would take yours any day over any LED only tank I have ever seen.
MedRed
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I completely missed this post... no photos to show my detailed experience? My build thread is full of photos. I detail everything including things that went awry. I definitely didn't start my LED's out too high.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18271128&postcount=215
I never had issues with SPS bleaching or coral losses that some associate with LED. My tank was on LEDs for 1 year and 5 months. I definitely think I gave everything enough time to acclimate.
acesq
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What he said.... (sometime its best to stop digging when you find yourself in a hole)
Junio, nice tank, nice colors. LED from the start? Another example of LEDs working.
I'm using T5s and am happy with my results, but am considering this next generation of LEDs.
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