JJ Stecchino's new 180g Starfire reef tank

January 2010 Update

It has been a long time since the last update to this thread. The tank is coming along quite well and I am happy with it. Coral frags are still quite young but they are growing steadily. The tank is now fully stocked as far as fish are concerned. Here is the list:

2 mated True Percula Clowns
1 McCosker Wrasse
1 Scott's Wrasse
1 Six Line Wrasse
2 Firefish Gobies
1 Diamond Goby
1 Royal Gramma
1 Scooter Blenny
3 Yellow Tangs
1 Sailfin Tang
1 Kole Tang
1 Blonde Naso Tang
1 Powder Blue Tang
1 Sohal Tang.

Here are some pictures:

Sailfin Tang:

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Sohal Tang:

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Thats a lot of tangs, I bet it looks amazing to see them all swimming around! Do you have much trouble with aggression?
 
Thats a lot of tangs, I bet it looks amazing to see them all swimming around! Do you have much trouble with aggression?

Some, however it has now stopped and it is interesting how it happened.

For a while the only tangs were my 4 year old yelow and the powder blue. As I introduced the Scott's Wrasse the PBT went ballistic and was determined to kill the scott's.
I placed the PBT in the refugium and he stayed there for about 2 months.

Than I saw the tank of emilioc on the PBT primer thread and I really liked to have several yellow tangs as he does. He also has 2 PBT and a sohal all living together without major disruption. I decided to try a similar arrangement, although on a smaller scale. I have always loved sohal tangs but I did not think it was possible to keep them with other tangs until I saw emilio's.

I got 2 more yellows of imilar size to mine, a kole and a sailfin. They were qt and then placed into the dt. At this point the old yellow did not like it and become quite aggressive. I removed him and placed in the sump with the pbt for about 2 weeks.

At this point I decided to reintroduce the old yellow and the pbt in the dt. The yellow aggressiveness was much much less. He has some occasional tail fight with the other ones but seldom and nothing major. The problem was the PBT. As he saw the scott's wrasse he went again for the kill like if the confinement in the sump never happened. At this point I was resolved to trade out either the PBT or the Scott's wrasse.

In the meantime I was eyeing a nice sohal specimen at the LFS. I looked at this fish for hours in the course of several weeks. His tank mates were several regal tangs, and a few foxfaces. The sohal has never bothered any of his tankmates. I thought he had a mellow personality so I decided to bring him home.

Here is the interesting part. As I put the sohal in the DT first of all no other fish bothered him and he did not bother the others. The PBT almost instantly stopped bothering the wrasse. It went from pure fury to total indifference. It was funny to see the wrasse perplexed. As he tried to unhide and saw the PBT his instincts told him "RUN" however the PBT acted like he was not there. After a while the wrasse became more confident and now everybody is swimming together.

I believe that as the sohal was introduced the PBT immediately relinquished his role of "most dominant fish" and this has caused the behavioral change. This is all very interesting and amazing. The only residual aggression is between the yellow tangs, but it is minimal. The old tang just like to remind the others who is the boss.

The naso tang was never an issue. from the very beginning he does not bother and is not bothered.

Alex if I remembered correctly you have a garf bonsai. I would love to be able to get one. I got some corals from garf but the bonsai ws not available. Where did you get yours?
 
jjstecchino,

Very, very nice - I'm still wanting to move up to a 180 and make some changes to my system. Looks like your Sohal is a camera hound. I really like your choice of fish and I'm very glad your fish have decided to live in peace. I would love to see more pictures of your corals. Keep taking pictures and let us see some progression pics later on --- I'm still here for the ride -- Thanks for sharing.
 
That is such a cool story about the tangs. I agree, they're version of social dominance is much different then other animals and sometimes doesn't make any sense. Before my flatworm exit tragedy my PBT and Scopas tang got along just fine after the first week, but the PBT despised my yellow watchmen goby. Now I have a Half Black Mimic Tang and a Chevron Tang together. The Half black shredded the poor chevrons dorsal fin until I turned out the lights and the next morning they were fine, but now the half black hates a tiny tail spot blenny I have and chases him around the tank. Who knows?

The GARF purple bonsai I have came from a frag swap in Spokane, WA. One person there has a huge colony of it that I think they fragged enough so that everyone in Spokane has one, but I have no idea where they originally got it. Its definitely my favorite coral in the tank.

You mention a PBT primer thread and emilioc. Do you have links to either of these threads? They sound interesting.
 
Soon, I am in Charleston for spring break, as I get back home I'll post some pictures.

btw I love the LED work. I am reading about it. Did you try it on the tank? How does it compare to MH as far as PAR, shimmering etc?
 
I haven't been able to try the LEDs on the tank yet because I have been bashing my head against DIYing a fancy PWM dimming circuit. I hope to finish things up today but they probably wont get over a tank for another week yet. I also hope to borrow a PAR meter next Saturday, so thats when I will be doing most of my testing. I mainly built this just to see what kind of spread I would get and if I liked the colors of the 1:1 white/blue ratio.

I'd specifically like to know more about your tangs. In the 220 I'm planning I would like to have a school of three yellow tangs and maybe two PBTs, but I don't know if I will have enough rockwork to fend off potential agression.
 
I haven't been able to try the LEDs on the tank yet because I have been bashing my head against DIYing a fancy PWM dimming circuit. I hope to finish things up today but they probably wont get over a tank for another week yet. I also hope to borrow a PAR meter next Saturday, so thats when I will be doing most of my testing. I mainly built this just to see what kind of spread I would get and if I liked the colors of the 1:1 white/blue ratio.

I'd specifically like to know more about your tangs. In the 220 I'm planning I would like to have a school of three yellow tangs and maybe two PBTs, but I don't know if I will have enough rockwork to fend off potential agression.

Right now the most aggressive tangs are the yellows. There are 3 of them. Aggression is really not bad, just at nighttime as the lights start to go out the 3 yellows have a few quick tail scuffles and this is it. It is interesting that all of them have their different hiding places, so lack of shelter is not the case.

The PBT used to be definitely the most aggressive. It tried to kill the Scott's wrasse several times. I kept the PBT for over a month in the refugium, but as soon as I put it back on the DT he went rigt for the scott's.

What made a difference was the introduction of a Sohal tang of about 6 in. This is a mellow one that I observed at the LFS for some time. He was with other tangs and I have have never seen him fight. As I put the Sohal in the PBT suddenly lost his aggressiveness completely. He immediately sterted ignoring the Scott's wrasse and since then he has been an exemplary citizen.

I was wery worried about the sohal, but I guess I got lucky so far.
 
I really like all the Acans and that ope brain (is it a Symphillia?). Did you by chance get those corals at the store near Augusta? While I was there I was a little dissapointed by their SPS stock but they definitely made up for it by their LPS selection!
 
I really like all the Acans and that ope brain (is it a Symphillia?). Did you by chance get those corals at the store near Augusta? While I was there I was a little dissapointed by their SPS stock but they definitely made up for it by their LPS selection!

Ohoops ... I missed your post by about a month. Strange reef central did not email me this time.

I love those acans too. They are not coming from Augusta. The store has some nice acans but they are too expensive. All acans come from a special an online retailer had about a month and 1/2 ago. He had 5 different acans for 90 bucks shipped in addition he sent 3 extra for a total of 8. I could not have been more happy. In the same order I had a hammer coral that came dead, however I did not even mentioned to seller. I just thanked him for the acans.

The open brain is a wellsophylia. That one came from Augusta. It is placed in a very onothodox position bu hey it is doing very well there.
 
I havent uploaded in a while. I am experimenting with macro photography with uncertain results so far. These were shot with a nikon 105mm macro.

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From the last set of photos I changed bulbs. The new one are Usho 10,000K and I think I am going back to the reeflo 10,000k. The color was a little bit warmer and overallm more pleasant.
 
obviously its personal preference, but the say the usho 10k is the one of the best 10k bulbs for growth. so for the time being, i wud imagine the corals will benefit from them some what! i wud think...
 
Hi Dave first of all congratulations on your new 180. Regarding your questions:

The tank im getting has dual overflows in the center of the tank (not corners) and they have 1-2" inlet for a CL system. They returned it to the top of the tank using sea swirls so there is no holes in the back wall / bottom aside from this. I see you did 4 returns (exactly what i was thinking) I want to know what you think of how you put them. I see you have 2 on the back wall and 2 on the from floor blowing back / upwards(45angle i assume)

My CL returns are exactly as you describe. 1 large 2" inlet in the back and 4 outlets 2 in the back and 2 on the front. the ones in the back have a Y split lockline on each so I can direct flow. The ones on the front have a 45 degree elbow pointing toward the center and back.
The CL outlets are connected to an OM 4 Ways with flow alternating from front to back.

What pump are you using with your CL? They had a Dart pump ratedd at 3600gph at 0' of head. I was thinking something larger + a OM 4way

The CL is driven by a Reeflo Dart (3600 gph). The 4 returns use 1" diameter spa flex pipe. You can go with a larger pump but you may need to go with 1.25" returns and size the inlet accordingly.
I have been quite happy with this setup, however I ended up adding 2 vortecs mp40 one each side for added flow.

Another question i have is how do you like your sump? Any issues with bubbles?
I was thinking of going with that EXACT one or something more along the lines of a 75g or 125g with a 40g breeder as a fuge. Your setup looks very simple and i like keeping it that way, but as we all know more water is always a plus!

I like the sump arrangement very much. Bubbles are a no issue. The sump is also driven by a reeflo dart with the return 1/3 chocked.
 
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