Lamarck Angel- Don't Believe the Hype

InsaneClownFish

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It's been long advertised that the Genicathus angelfish have been the reef safe alternative to dwarf angelfish. It's been long advertised that these are non-pickers.

Well my very well fed Genicanthus Lamarck has been in the tank approximately 4 months and has picked at EVERYTHING. It's picked at at least 2 different LPS, SPS, a Crocea clam, and even softies.

I have an irking suspicion that's what led to the demise of my 5+ inch Crocea(had for over a year) and why my Wellsophylia has looked suspect ever since adding the angel.

I also have an itching suspicion that reports of these fish picking hasn't caught up to the web like dwarf angelfish picker reports surfaced starting years ago, because I really don't believe I got the one "naughty" Lamarck out there.
 
My Bellus has decided to pick on my acans so I guess reef safe is never a sure thing. To be honest she hasn't done any real damage, but it is annoying. Best thing you can do is feed well and hope they don't get hungry enough to really pig out
 
From what I've read, nobody says they are 100%, but they are the best change at a reef safe angel. I personally had, over the course of many years, 1 male Watanabe, 2 female Watanabe's, 1 female Blackspot & 2 female Lamark's. I never had a problem with any of them nipping, biting or anything. I had Hammers, Frogspawns, Torches, Fugia, Xenia, Leathers, Kenya, Mushrooms, Ricordea, Zoas, SPS and clams.

Now, my Flame angel has been nipping my Green Zoas, Xenia & a Poclopora. He nips so bad that the Xenia won't open and melts away, the Zoas look terrible and he seams to have eatten the green out of them and I had to get rid of the Poclopora, because he was just ripping it up. My friends Flame hasn't bothered anything, so unfortunetly you never know what you're gonna get when it comes to angels.
 
SaraB just had to remove one of her Genicanthus angels (don't recall the species) as it was going on a coral spree as well ;)

There's no such thing as "reef safe", and if there was, define it.
 
I had a Lamarck's for about 6 months. It was a model citizen - didn't touch a thing - sps, lps, or zoas, until I dropped in a Tyree Red Watermelon chalice! We'll just say it was waiting for some fine dining. Luckily I was able to catch the fish in a trap, and the chalice has finally healed up.
 
InsaneClownFish- how much and what do you feed your Lamarck?

Also- HOW do you feed it?

fwiw there's no such thing as a "reef safe" reef aquarium animal.
If something lives on or around a reef it eats something on or around the reef.

'Reef compatibility' is the term we should be using.
 
"Reef Compatible"? Not bad, & a lot more accurate! Afterall, my A. ocellaris clown will take out coral frags she feels intrude on her space. "safe' my butt!

Sincerely,
Matthew
 
I think folks are focusing a bit too much on the language of what was said rather than what was actually said. Many of us have been around the hobby long enough to know that the Genicanthus angels have been touted as reef "suitable."

From all the research I've ever done on these fish, including the good folks at Reef Keeping Magazine, WetWebMedia, and here, this has been the case. I'm just trying to help make people aware that sometimes the given "good bet," isn't always so.

I actually think the Genicanthus Lamarck is a wonderful fish- mine has certainly calmed down quite a bit. Will she take a swipe at my prized 7 x 5 hot pink chalice...yup...am I worried she's going to decimate it...not in the least. In fact I haven't noticed her pick at too much in quite some time.

I do however strongly feel that all angels pick... While Gary is 100% correct with his open reef analogy, I mean pick in the sense of what we're concerned about in this hobby...the closed "box." In fact, I think that most angels when confined are even more likely to "pick." Someone made a great point when they said their angel went directly after their chalice frag. In my case, the "swipes" have not been detrimental to my corals, however I think people ought to think of angels more with an eye toward the degree to which they will pick, rather than getting one that has the magic proclivity for not picking.

I'm not doubting, or discounting the positive reports of my fellow reefers on the Genicanthus either, rather I just suspect that many of the negative reports are not making it to print yet. I'd also like to muse as to whether the Genicanthus are actually closer in behavior to other dwarf angels than has been previously reported. We had an old local reef supplier who put it best when I was relaying the issues I was having with my Maxima clam weeks after having introduced a dwarf pygmy angel. I had relayed the fact I hadn't seen the angel pick at anything. His response was akin to...do you sit in front of your tank 24/7, and can you see in the dark? :) The point was well received.

It's actually very interesting many of you brought up the language of "reef safe" into question, because I had previously wondered if the Genicanthus angels were "hyped" up by the market.

Gary, currently I feed my own blend of Salmon, whitefish, monkfish, clam, mysis, nori, and cod blended with garlic, vinegar, and iodine, vitamin c and orange juice.

My previous mix had shrimp, rotifiers, some blended foods thrown in with the other fish and lemon juice.

I usually feed once a day. I'm not big on two feedings a day. I feed the tank liberally, and depending on how much of a hurry I'm in I feed in one of two ways. Most of the time I take a 1inch by 1 inch square of the frozen blend, and place it an empty water bottle( the one i use for the tank) and shake it with some tank water until I get a nice mix of particulate size. I pour this in the tank. My reef is 8 feet so sometimes I pour across which leaves some food in flow and some slightly suspended as I have a slower flow zone. Once in a blue moon I'll squirt some oyster eggs in the mix, but I usually add that directly when the moon lights are on.

I know many folks shut their flow off when they feed, but personally I do not.

When I'm in a hurry I break off pieces of the frozen sheet, try to mush it a bit with my fingers and toss it in by my clowns. I usually just end up adding more food when I do it this way because I get to watch my Vlamingi and Foxface play, who's food is it anyway? :p
 
I myself have been contemplating a flame angel for my reef tank. I think they're absolutely gorgeous, stunning and amazing dwarf angels out there...

I have also seen people keep these in 29g setups w/o problems, but they also do have the reputation for picking at corals.

Current plan is to let everything else get in the tank and get situated first, long before I ever introduce the flame angel. I feel doing it that way it at least lets the corals get situated to the tank, and also the flame angel may not get the feeling that I'm feeding it when I put new stuff in the tank as well.
 
Oh, BTW. Being Planktivores, Genicanthus need FREQUENT feedings. i hope the OP was aware of that fact. Somewhat important!'

Matthew
 
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