Landlords Log - Breeding Tomato Clowns

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14798008#post14798008 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rEd86
Kurt,

I just found your thread - WOW you have been busy in such a short time. You've had some great success. We are fortunate to have the knowledge and experience to learn from with everyone here on Reef Central. I have been taking notes and wanting to breed clown fish for a while and hope to start this summer once everything is done with my new 700g office tank.

Even better to see someone in the Cincinnati area doing this. Let me know if you need any help setting up the new cabinet or anything else.

--Ed

Thanks Ed. Nice to see another Cincy person interested. 700 gallons is a whopper tank to maintain I have enough trouble with my 90 ;) Yes we are definitely fortunate to have footsteps to follow in with regards to breeding. Knock on wood but I haven't really hit any huge snags that someone else hasn't helped me avoid here.

I appreciate your offer with the stand however I am very very lucky to have a master carpenter (with lots of spare time) for a father-in-law. He pretty much built every piece of furniture in my house (all the beds, dressers, tables, armoires, etc...) as well as my stand / canopy

Keep me in mind if you ever need to bounce any tank ideas around, there are a few cincy folks here on the boards and some good people in CincyReef club.

Kurt
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14798051#post14798051 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by landlord
Thanks Ed. Nice to see another Cincy person interested. 700 gallons is a whopper tank to maintain I have enough trouble with my 90 ;) Yes we are definitely fortunate to have footsteps to follow in with regards to breeding. Knock on wood but I haven't really hit any huge snags that someone else hasn't helped me avoid here.
I have actually found that the larger tank is easier to maintain in some ways. (less variation in the levels with that much water) It does take a LOT longer to clean it. (although I have consolidated two tanks into one so it isn't that much more work.)

I appreciate your offer with the stand however I am very very lucky to have a master carpenter (with lots of spare time) for a father-in-law. He pretty much built every piece of furniture in my house (all the beds, dressers, tables, armoires, etc...) as well as my stand / canopy
That's great that you've got such a skilled resource. I am about to skin my tank and while I have the skills, finding the time is always a challenge.

Keep me in mind if you ever need to bounce any tank ideas around, there are a few cincy folks here on the boards and some good people in CincyReef club.
I have heard that CincyReef people can be helpful. (I am the webmaster for the club) :) Do you ever attend any of the meetings? I looked on the site and didn't see a "landlord" nickname registered.

Later!

--Ed
 
Too funny - No I haven't found a lot of time to attend meetings. I did go to the frag swap last Sept. Sold a bunch of 10 dollar SPS frags.

I do have a user setup called "Kurt" not to be confused with "Kurt03" I am the real Kurt.

--Kurt (landlord) (dude from Kentucky) whatever other names you'd like :lol:
 
Kurt, By stopping the greenwater all you are doing is making the Rots less nutritious. Thus actually harming the fry. (they could be eating the more nutritious Oto A instead of filling up on empty Rots) They won't die back. The baby poo is more than enough for them to live on. You'll have to remove them manually.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14798530#post14798530 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rkelman
Kurt, By stopping the greenwater all you are doing is making the Rots less nutritious. Thus actually harming the fry. (they could be eating the more nutritious Oto A instead of filling up on empty Rots) They won't die back. The baby poo is more than enough for them to live on. You'll have to remove them manually.

Wow. I had no idea! thanks. Should I start straining them out? Bleck, that could be a chore.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14798598#post14798598 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rkelman
Yes I would strain them. It can't be that bad its only a 10g tank isn't it?

5.5 gal... but the honey-do list is piling up and I gotta keep the wifey happy because she's holding the flashlight for tonights hatch :lol:
 
On the bright side I do have my new 53 micron filter (Did I mention how this is the best thing since sliced bread)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14798547#post14798547 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by landlord
Wow. I had no idea! thanks. Should I start straining them out? Bleck, that could be a chore.
Could you set up a slow syphon (with RO tubing) that runs it through your screen? Every gallon or two you can dump the clean water back into the tank. It's a slow process but you'd hate to risk loosing your babies!

--Ed
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14798639#post14798639 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rEd86
Could you set up a slow syphon (with RO tubing) that runs it through your screen? Every gallon or two you can dump the clean water back into the tank. It's a slow process but you'd hate to risk loosing your babies!

--Ed

That's probably exactly what I'll do. It's a tiny tank so it should only take about 15 minutes or so.
 
:thumbsup: Nice job they look great sure wish i could see 2nd stripes in only 11 days.

I have done the same thing with leaving a little one high and dry on the badge as well, i don't think you have really ever done a water change until you try it on a tank full of baby clowns.:lol:

What i use for my tanks i picked up with my last order of decapped bbs, it works well as the flow is adjustable and with the brush ends (it comes with 2 of them) it's nice because you can push the bristles down on the bottom of the tank to clean up without having to worry about sucking up the fry. I also have a couple of different sizes of rigid tubing simply attached to air line hose as well. Happy fishing to you for tonight.

http://www.seahorsesource.com/cgi-bin/shop/detail.cgi?id=SSI601
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14799641#post14799641 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dazed


What i use for my tanks i picked up with my last order of decapped bbs, it works well as the flow is adjustable and with the brush ends (it comes with 2 of them) it's nice because you can push the bristles down on the bottom of the tank to clean up without having to worry about sucking up the fry. I also have a couple of different sizes of rigid tubing simply attached to air line hose as well. Happy fishing to you for tonight.

http://www.seahorsesource.com/cgi-bin/shop/detail.cgi?id=SSI601

Wow dazed, this is exactly what I've been looking for to help clean dead spots in my BB display tank. Thanks ! :D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14798618#post14798618 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by landlord
On the bright side I do have my new 53 micron filter (Did I mention how this is the best thing since sliced bread)

Makes collection so much easier. Glad you liked it. Did you get it from FAF ?
 
dazed - See I should have asked before making a purchase. That thing looks like what I need. The FAF one was simply massive using 1/2 ID tubing and there was simply no finess with it.

agsansoo - Yes I did get the filter from FAF thanks for the tip. It makes life so much easier. Coffee filters work but not that well, this thing is a no brainer and looks like it should last a long time.

:) Kurt
 
Well back for another update.

Batch II - Day 14 - Today marks the two week point and the fish are doing great. No losses since the Ammonia badge pinched the one. Still really haven't gotten an accurate count but I am guessing around 30-35 fish. All but the runt are in color showing two distinctive stripes. The secondary stripe on many of them is broken or incomplete but I am guess it is a moot point since it will eventually fade away :( I wish it wouldn't. It makes them look really cool. Rotifers have been removed completely from the larval tank. All the fry are taking Oto A now. The granules seem so small and it makes me want to step up to the next grade. I am feeding very small pinches 3 or 4 times daily and it doesn't seem like enough food. I may move up to the next particulate size for one of todays feedings to see if they take it.

Detritus and algae are becoming an issue in the tank. It is absolutely filthy looking on the bottom. Cleaning it looks like it will become an every other day job. Which in terms of salt use is getting out of hand. Between the weekly 15 gallon change for the DT, the 2 gallon daily rotifer top off, and the 2 larvae tanks, (More on the second tank to come), I am using up salt really fast.

Question - Does anyone utilize a limited CuC in their larvae tank to aid in the detritus mess? If so what mix works (2 ceriths, 1 astrea, etc...) ;) thanks

New News!!!!

Batch III - Hatched Friday :)

Was very prepared for this hatching. Had a second larval tank up and running with greenwater for a couple days (rotifer soup). Had half of a 39 watt actinic PC lamp shining down from above. Heck, I even had the in-laws over to watch it all play out :lol:

Well the hatch happened about 30-45 mnutes after lights out, which I did earlier to accomodate the in-laws. Probably not the best idea, since it prolonged the time it took for the hatch to finish. Also because it was so early, there was still enough ambient room light for the female clown to move about and actually consume some of the hatchlings, maybe 20 or 30. With that aside there were still plenty of them to siphon out. Me and my wife siphoned for about 45 minutes with my father-in-law watching attentively. He is sooooo into it, which pleases me to see. In any case I figure we captured between 350 and 450 fry. Again this is another guess since determining the number is all but impossible for me. There were a boatload in the bucket for sure.

Moved the fry quickly to the larval tank and with the light on they remained active in the water column swarming like mosquitoes. Went to bed shortly thereafter.

Batch III - Day 1 - Next morning woke up to a wonderful thing. Only lost maybe 30 of the fry. I assume that this was due to physical damage or simply a few weak links. The rest of the swarm was doing its thing quite busily :) The only thing I did that day was add rotifers in the evening.

Batch III - Day 2 - The fry started to take on the darker coloration on their posteriors and the silver bellies became evident today. No more losses than what I had from the first evening. I attempted to siphon / turkey baste out the dead fry from the previous day and gave up. I was simply siphoning up to many living fry and it did not seem worth it to me. I will make another attempt when the larvae get a bit bigger. Other than adding more rotifers in the evening I basically left the tank alone for them to do their thing. I have been really hands off this time around in the hopes of not causing a stir in there. At around day 3-4 I may begin more agressive cleaning.

On another note the broodstock laid down another huge batch of eggs. I need to make some decisions on how many batches I can take on without going absolutely mad! I may skip this one, still on the fence though. I do not know how I am going to offload this many fish but I guess there could be worse problems.

Take care everybody and thanks again for your help and support.

:) Kurt

BTW - I called the wife to email me some pictures from the weekend. We'll see how busy she is today as to whether I get them or not.
 
wow buddy this is awesome... i wish my clows would spawn... shoot that would help with the electric bill and all the constant supplies lol so keep al the updates up ... I subscribed!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14805016#post14805016 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by agsansoo
Wow dazed, this is exactly what I've been looking for to help clean dead spots in my BB display tank. Thanks ! :D

your welcome, it works really well the flow is actually adjustable in 2 ways
1. the last 12 to 18 inches or so of the tubing are actually 3 different sizes of tubing and they all slide inside of each other. It steps the flow up/down want more flow remove the last piece of tubing etc. I can snap a pic if anyone is interested.

2. There is a plastic piece that inserts in the brush end to restrict the water flow as well.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14815281#post14815281 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by landlord
dazed - See I should have asked before making a purchase. That thing looks like what I need. The FAF one was simply massive using 1/2 ID tubing and there was simply no finess with it.

agsansoo - Yes I did get the filter from FAF thanks for the tip. It makes life so much easier. Coffee filters work but not that well, this thing is a no brainer and looks like it should last a long time.

:) Kurt

1/2" would make it hard to use for a fry tank for sure.
i grumbled a bit at the price for some plastic pieces & tubing but after using it i was glad i got one.
 
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