LED progress pics

I've pretty much neglected all my duties this weekend and worked on this. It's now 95% done. The wiring is completed, however I discovered I made one critical error in construction of the rack. The aluminum angle I used on the long runs is too thin and sags considerably. It's an easy fix but I will need to reinforce it before I can do anything else. Here's the pics:

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I did look into them. There were two negatives that immediately came to mind. One, they are ridiculously expensive (3x the cost of an XP-G). Two, although the lumens per watt is very impressive, I think they would lend themselves to serious spotlighting and potential "hot" zones.[/QUOTE]

I just reread the specs on the MC-E's. The data on them is given per led die within the MC-E so its not as efficient as I originally thought.
 
wow!!! time to sit back and enjoy the electric bill drop and the corals pop. Great build thread jeff.
 
Looking good, I just started looking into getting LEDs. Did you decide to go without lenses? How much heat do they put out when you put your hand underneath them in comparison to your 250watt Halide? Thanks
 
wow!!! time to sit back and enjoy the electric bill drop and the corals pop. Great build thread jeff.

Thanks. Once they're mounted over the tank, I'll post updates. So far, my tests show total electrical consumption to be 451W. Considering I was running almost 1600W, this should be a tremendous savings.

How does the color look with 16 blue and 8 white? What kelvin do you think it give?

Unfortunately, this is virtually impossible to compare. The resulting light looks "different" than a typical MH. There is definitely a lot more purple and pink in the resulting color.

If I had to take a stab, I would say it looks like a 14K with a lot of Actinic and maybe a Figi Purple.
 
Looking good, I just started looking into getting LEDs. Did you decide to go without lenses? How much heat do they put out when you put your hand underneath them in comparison to your 250watt Halide? Thanks

I am definitely going with a mixture of 60 & 80 degree lenses to get the penetration in the tank. As far as heat, its night and day. Although the LEDs themselves generate heat to the heatsink, they radiate virtually no heat to the air below. Close to the LED its warm to the touch but the heatsink remains cool when the fans are on.

Nice job Jeff the tank looks real nice!

Thanks dude!
 
around how long do u think it will take until they really start to save you money by this i mean when will you get your investment into the lights back from the savings you will create without using MH and btw everythings looks great will definately have to have a club field trip to jeff's house lol
 
Thanks Frost. You'd be shocked at how easy it was. PITA and very time consuming, but easy.


Kevin, the savings begins the moment you plug them in. However, complete ROI can vary. In my case, it calculates as follows:

Based on my electrical usage and a 30 day month, my current lighting for my display alone costs $54.60/mo.

The new LED lights w/ cooling fans will cost approximately $16.20/mo for a total savings of $38.40 per month or $460 per year. Based on electrical consumption alone, the ROI would take about 36mos to pay for itself.

HOWEVER, then you factor in the cost to replace bulbs, which in my case runs about $500/yr. Now, depending where you are in your replacement schedule, this will knock the ROI down to 12-18mos. Ideally, you want to do this when you are due for new bulbs which makes ROI closer to 12 mos.

NOW, if you decide to sell your existing equipment, this trims off the cost of the initial investment which shortens the ROI even shorter. In my case, lets say I invested $1500 in LEDs and sold my existing equipment for $750, the ROI would only take 6 mos. After that its a true net savings of $1000/yr in bulbs and electrical.
 
wow jeff that is just amazing i think right there is a perfect example of how great of an investment is if you can afford to make it thank you for the extgremely detailed answer i am going to start looking a lot more into this now

around how much water can they penitrate and maintian there par readings also can LEDs bleach corals
 
Jeff,
How long before you have your array hanging over the tank?

Hopefully, very soon. Maybe even this weekend. Just need to work on the mounting brackets.

wow jeff that is just amazing i think right there is a perfect example of how great of an investment is if you can afford to make it thank you for the extgremely detailed answer i am going to start looking a lot more into this now

around how much water can they penitrate and maintian there par readings also can LEDs bleach corals

Right now, based on my initial tests, the water penetration is slightly better than MH's. Although the PAR I currently get in the shallow regions is much higher (6-750), the PAR from the LEDs is higher at the sand (220-240). Keep in mind this was with 2 arrays. I need to get the whole shooting match up there to get some real results.
 
Hey Jeff, next time you do some measurements. If you wouldn't mind, could you check how far out the spread is with say just one or 2 arrays on? Curious to see how much space one or 2 array can cover with good to decent par. Thanks.
 
The rough cost is about $400 per array of 48, which by my tests so far is equal to one 250W MH. This includes misc, the aluminum for the rack and acrylic for the splash shield. Total wattage is ~160W with cooling fans (and of course no bulb replacments).

Your build looks great! I assume your 160W is per 48 LEDs? My Kill-A-Watt shows 72W/24 LED array driving them at .73A. I sure hope we end up happy with these months and years down the road... I've got in the neighborhood of $900 in my 96 LED build materials or about $10/ea LED by the time I'm finished...
Again, nice job!
Tim
 
Hey Jeff, next time you do some measurements. If you wouldn't mind, could you check how far out the spread is with say just one or 2 arrays on? Curious to see how much space one or 2 array can cover with good to decent par. Thanks.

I'll try to get some of that testing done this weekend. Hopefully, I'll have them up by then.

Your build looks great! I assume your 160W is per 48 LEDs? My Kill-A-Watt shows 72W/24 LED array driving them at .73A. I sure hope we end up happy with these months and years down the road... I've got in the neighborhood of $900 in my 96 LED build materials or about $10/ea LED by the time I'm finished...
Again, nice job!
Tim

Thanks Tim. Yes, the 160W is per 48 and also includes the fans. LED's alone run ~133W per 48. One thing is for sure, we are going to look back and say "I can't believe I put that junk over my tank". However since its the best we can do at the moment, I'll take it.
 
Well, I finally tried out the entire LED system on my display. Initial results were encouraging. However, unfortunately, I have determined that the rack as it is built will not be sufficient so additional LEDs will be necessary before I am completely comfortable with the swith-out. Although the PAR wasn't quite the same as my MH's in the higher areas, I was happier with the LED penetration. What is obvious is that the spacing between arrays leaves me with horrible shadows (see below). I will add small mini arrays mounted on U-channel to fill in the dead spots in between. In all, I think I will need an additional 36 LED's. Since the budget is currently limited, I will have to put those on hold for a month or two. Filling in with T5's would also be an option.

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