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You shouldn't be having this much trouble with the plumbing. Let's go through the steps. First of all, are you using the correct primer and PVC glue? Not all adhesives are made for all pipes, so make sure your materials are properly matched. If you want to be extra safe, you can get the PVC glue and primer that's made for high pressure (Sched 80) applications, which is what I prefer to use.

At each joint, are you applying primer and glue on both pieces that are to be glued together? When you attach them, push the pipe all the way into the fitting, then give it a quarter turn. Hold it in place for 15 seconds before letting go so that the parts don't slide away from one another. There will almost certainly be some extra glue that oozes out of the joint, so use this to your advantage. Use a cloth (I prefer my finger) and rub this around the circumference of the joint to strengthen it even more.

At threaded joints make sure you first wrap the male threads counterclockwise with teflon tape. If you are using standard teflon give it at least 8 wraps (most people recommend 4, I always use more than that). Apply only a small amount of tape at the end and add more wraps as you move up the threads, so that every turn of the joint is tighter than the last. You can also use the thicker teflon tape made for gas pipe fittings (it's often pink or yellow), and with this you can use less wraps.

Ideally you will allow the freshly plumbed material to remain dry for 12 hours or more, but I realize that's not always possible. If this is too elementary for you then I apologize, but you really shouldn't be having this much trouble with leaks.
 
Reeftanks6 - thanks much.

Dudester - I agree its really weird on the plumbing...trying to figure it out. Thanks for the reassurance tho...I'll be honest, it has been really frustrating.

I use your standard PVC cement and purple primer, the only thing I wasnt doing was putting cement on both sides of the connection, I was just putting it on the male, and pushing in (enough that some did usually ooze out. I think a couple things may have created problems:

1) 1.5" flex pvc. I've decided its crap, any curvature at all and it doesnt seem to bond correctly, so you might as well just use straight pipe (the 3/4" flex pvc works better...smaller diameter = more flexible)

2) too many short runs between valves where I have male threaded adapter, then 2-3" of pipe, then another male adapter (like on the drains where I have ball valves and gate valves). I think this is not very structurally sound and when you are attaching piping below it or screwing on the unions it knocks the connections loose.

I'm going to try to redo eliminating those problems in the next few days.
 
Cliffy,

did you use the primer on the spaflex? I've heard thats a bad idea. I just did a bunch of plumbing with spaflex mixed with normal PVC fittings, and I used the oatey rain-n-shine in the white and red bottle, its the clear cement thats for PVC or ABS. Seems to work well for spaflex due to the higher solids content.

Also I used a heatgun when I needed to make some sharp cuves wtih the spaflex. I did the glue joint BEFORE doing the bending and tried to avoid putting heat near the joints (you dont want that part to bend). Just run the heatgun slowly around the part you want to bend without ever stopping. Make sure you get all sides. Its alot like ironing a shirt :) wear gloves. Once the spaflex starts to warm up it will bend easily. if its warm enough that your gloves 'tack' on the pipe (as in leave a texture or pattern behind) then you got too warm. If the pipe starts to 'collapse' at all then you got too warm on one spot. turn off the heatgun and pinch the pipe at the widest point to remake the circular shape, and hold it until it cools off a bit.

once it cools down, whatever shape you put it into will be the new default shape. Sometimes it takes a few passes if its a very sharp curve. I find multiple light passes is much better than one pass where you try to apply too much heat and do too much at once.
 
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In some of the recent plumbing I did, some cement 'oozed out' of the bottom of the fitting and got on the bushing of my union ballvalves, right on the part thats supposed to seal against the O-ring.

I wyped it off and cleaned it as best I could, but the surface is a bit 'rough' now. Does anybody know if I messed up the O ring seal by having roughness on the bushings(right word)? Should I sand these with a high grit sand paper? Haven't leak tested yet since I need to plumb a pump first.
 
I just found this section with the "big boys". Great thread and AMAZING work. The mermaid is cute too. LOL

I thought I was going grand with a 210, but now I gotta upsize. Just kidding.

Looking forward to some finished shots.

Jflip, how do you like the 14k's? I am stuck in between MH and t5s.

Peace,
Michael
 
I dont like the 14k MH at all. But I do like MH, I liked my 10k with T5 actinics. If i didnt have a brace over the top of my tank, I woulda gone T5 though.
 
is she one of the marmaids with the fish bottom and lady top
or lady bottom and fish top?
or the type that got the lady bottom under the fish bottom and shows up when shes dry......
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12527409#post12527409 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Aj Flip
is she one of the marmaids with the fish bottom and lady top
or lady bottom and fish top?
or the type that got the lady bottom under the fish bottom and shows up when shes dry......

Shes all lady ;)
 
Lol. Jesus....

Your problems with your plumbing makes me happy I went with the Tunzes rather than the CLS. I know for sure my CLS woulda ended up leaking.
 
So I also discovered that the bulkhead on my sump is leaking. I think I fixed it, but I want to make sure I did it the right way. I wrapped the male threaded side of the bulkhead with teflon so it fit snugly in the hole (before there was about 2-3mm gap around the male threaded side when I put it through), then silicon greased the part that presses against the outside of the sump and the rubber gasket on the inside of the sump (which is held against the inside of the sump by the female side of the bulkhead). Is this the right way to make sure its not leaking?
 
cliffy I've heard of people doing what you did (putting silicon grease on the gasket) and its worked for some people, but generally its not recommended. the silicon grease could actually allow the gasket to slide and distort more when tightening the nut, which could potentially make things worse.


how tight did you screw the bulkhead initially? on the rubber gasket, do you have the kind that has 2 raised rings on one side? if so, which side did you install the 2 rings facing? The first bulkhead I installed I had the 2 rings touching the glass and I was getting a slow leak, so I reversed it so the 2 rings were touching the bulkhead and the flat smooth part of the gasket was touching the glass and the leak stopped.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12530051#post12530051 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RyanBrucks
cliffy I've heard of people doing what you did (putting silicon grease on the gasket) and its worked for some people, but generally its not recommended. the silicon grease could actually allow the gasket to slide and distort more when tightening the nut, which could potentially make things worse.


how tight did you screw the bulkhead initially? on the rubber gasket, do you have the kind that has 2 raised rings on one side? if so, which side did you install the 2 rings facing? The first bulkhead I installed I had the 2 rings touching the glass and I was getting a slow leak, so I reversed it so the 2 rings were touching the bulkhead and the flat smooth part of the gasket was touching the glass and the leak stopped.

I do have the side w/ 2 rings, but I've got that reversed so its facing the glass, and it was still leaking...the problem seems to be that the hole is pretty big so keeping the bulkhead centered is crucial for sealing....is there anything wrong with using the teflon tape? It seems like its much more of a snug fit in the hole now, but I wanted to check before refilling and dealing with a potential leak again.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12530456#post12530456 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JRaquatics
Do you have that tank re-plumbed yet Mike?

Nope, working on it tonight and tomorrow. Last night drove out to meet Mike L. and pick up some sch. 80 true union ball valves...
 
Definitely use teflon tape, the absence is probably why it leaked in the first place. Also, when you glue pieces together, you definitely want to prime and glue both sides of the connection, not just the male side, as this will not only put more glue on the surfaces, but it lubricates them and allows you to connect the male end all the way to the bottom of the female end. A longer seal is a better seal.
 
I have got everything redone and cut to length, and sitting there. I have to go by HD tomorrow to get teflon paste as I'm told tape just doesnt work well for reeflo pumps. I want to make sure Ive done everything right before I fire it up. Then I can remove my Tunze skimmer from the tank hang the lights and get a FTS...a guy bought and picked up the old tank today, so I got my first full on front view tonight, very happy :) but I'm gonna wait til I get it cleaned up and hang the light before I reveal it to the world ;)
 
I have got everything redone and cut to length, and sitting there. I have to go by HD tomorrow to get teflon paste as I'm told tape just doesnt work well for reeflo pumps. I want to make sure Ive done everything right before I fire it up. Then I can remove my Tunze skimmer from the tank hang the lights and get a FTS...a guy bought and picked up the old tank today, so I got my first full on front view tonight, very happy :) but I'm gonna wait til I get it cleaned up and hang the light before I reveal it to the world ;)
 
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