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hahnmeister
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13312751#post13312751 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Emc2
Thanks to Greg for supplying the rum and introducing us to Superman.
And for this awsome shot of Greg stuffing some rum down his pants and Hoots trying to hide her lighter (can you guess where?). The rum made it (fortunately)... the lighter did not.
YES! Thank you Greg!!! Good job Heather!
hahnmeister
In Memoriam
Okay, here is some of the 'Buzz', at least how I heard it. It was tiring, and it was alot going on, so if I get something wrong... just correct me, but I believe this is 95% true...
-Giesemann's new aquaflora T5 bulbs were there. They look nice....
http://www.giesemann.de/index.php?nId=64&nLang=1
- Warner Marine has some T5 units/reflectors on the way. Warner also has a nifty 'easy clean' head on the way as well as a few other things Jon talked about. The 'easy clean' head for a skimmer is alot like a SCH... but just manual. So you dont have the timer, motor, etc... but to clean your cup you just reach in and give it a quick spin. It should go for $1200. Lol... just kidding, the idea was to keep it simple yet effective, and that it should. Say, where were the Aquadriver Skimcleans? There was not a single BK even plugged in even.
- Ushio has T5's coming out. The Ushio booth is simple, just like the booth you see at other shows. The real edge that these guys have, IMO, is that their guys really know their lighting tech, and can give you info that really matters. Their handouts actually provide info, you know what I mean? Their reps went out of their way to talk to people and 'talk shop'. UVL otoh, was there, and I meant to talk with them, but they tended to huddle together and keep to themselves it seemed. Ushio only had 2 guys there, and UVL had 4 or more it seemed... but those Ushio guys really were on their game.
- Honya is trying to make a Laguna pump clone. Not just the volutes anymore, but the whole motor it is rumored. I just dont see how THAT is possible since in order to be a Laguna you actually would have to include the patented power factor correction/slip/torque technology. Without that... its just not a Laguna. So Im betting it either wont happen (Hagen wont let it) or they will say '50 watts' on the box and really run at '150 watts'.
- Tunze has replaced the Sicce PSK 2500's with a new pump. It is still a Sicce, but a bit nicer I suspect.
- Tunze has the new stream 2's on the way. Their new USB controlled multicontroller looks like a solid winner as well.
- Tunze has the nano-wavebox out.
- SEIO Polarios, prop pumps, and pumps with internal speed control/wave makers are here, and from getting my hands on them they are looking like the quality over previous pumps keeps getting better. SEIO/TAAM also has that nifty modular pump/media reactor system.
- Hydor's new DC controllable pumps look sweet. You might start seeing Tunze Streams coming down in price if they keep this up. Heck, Stream pumps have come a long way, and you could say they are 'mainstream' now more than anything. Ecotech was selling their Maxi-Jet mod kits, and they were being sold at the Marco Rocks/Aquactinics (different make) booth as well.
- I forgot to take photos, but the frag-mag rock guys were there as well. I forgot to pick some up for the trip home as well. They look very nice in person and they had some new stuff out as well. Maybe if someone else has some pics they can post that.
- This Vertex skimmer has people wondering... is being made under ER's liscence from China? Is it a copy, or is ER somehow involved (like Toyota/Scion)? And which pump was that? It just had a dark corner at a vendor booth and nobody really said much about them but my peepers zoomed in on it right away.
- MRC's Volcano clone
- AquaC may be comfortable since they have sold hundreds of thousands of Remoras, but the EV line has been lagging, so rumor has it that AquaC is going to be looking into something new, perhaps a needlewheel. Hey AquaC, if you want some ideas, let me know. I have something you might like that would fit in your line!
- Current USA has new T5 units out. One reflector looks like a minimal improvement, but the other (a true parabolic) looks most promising.
-Oceanic's future T5 fixture looks nice as well. I cant speak for quality, since it wasnt even there, but it looks as though this will be in a line above the Coralife brand units. The unit did have individual parabolic reflectors after all.
- SLS... hmmm... lots of potential, cant quite tell what they are doing. Got to really see the Lumenmax Elite in person and play with it a little bit. I can see what they did now with the design, and why. Those with Lumenarcs, dont worry. The new Tek has me interested though. They pretty much used the cross-flow fan (they have small axials) and sheild/duct idea that I put up here long ago. Its been a long time, and then Sam starts sending me PM's and asking questions again... and then within 24 hours of my last PM to him (weve been going back and forth) the new 'prototype' at the show gets yanked. I talked about it with the rep on Friday, and it was gone the next morning. All they could say was that the current one has been scrapped and the design is going to take a 'totally new direction'. Ill have to talk with Sam on that one I suppose. I dont know what to tell you other than that. It has taken more than a year to get that far, yet I'll admit, I was expecting more than a 'factory made' version of a mod I did long ago. If it took them that long just to do that, how long will it take for a 'totally new direction'? OTOH, I hear this might involve some 'high ups' in the company that want to get something done here.
- CoralVue LED's... nuff said.
- Those PFO's are looking nice. Im thinking I might want to test one to see how they compare from a PAR/watt standpoint. The demo they had was bright.... granted, the spread wasnt too impressive, but not lacking either. Getting close to 200 micromol/m2/s on the tank like they were was not something to scoff at, and since LED's transmit less IR, they will heat up your tank less (even though the units themselves might dump alot of heat into the room). This isnt news exactly, but its exciting none-the-less because we really are THAT CLOSE to seeing LED's as a mainstream contender... the only challenge at this point would seem like the price... but for every 10x increase in production, the price should drop 1/2... right?
- SCWD with large 1" ports and a cleaning cap. It looks nice. Too little too late? I mean... with all these lower-cost stream style pumps out now with wavemakers even built in...
-New Maxi-Jet Utility Pumps look good. And if Aquarian/Oceanic wont make that 30" or 36" front-to-back tank you were looking for, Marineland does! The price (with shipping) would amaze you. When I asked about adding custom holes, they said 'no problem'. Starphire? Included. The cabinet quality was top-notch. Was it the Sherman Tank that came up from Florida? No. But this thing is less likely to make your basement floor crack too. Lol... Just kidding, I see the value in both tanks or course.
-Did PM mention a dart needlewheel skimmer as well?
- Aquactinics LED's in the fixture to add shimmer. Tom made it out like this was going to be a first, which was funny because we told him we had just come from the CoralVue booth where some T5/LED combos were on display, but his did look better. Sorry guys, but I dont think I could convince them to make a 5 foot constellation... I may not agree with the reasoning 100% (like that their 5' halide units never sold all that well) but I can see where they are coming from. OTOH, a 5' Solar Flare might be a different story... but thats more up to Icecap. Otherwise, that entire market might go to SLS since they at least said they would like to come out with a 5' unit.
- Warner Marine chemicals. Check em out.
- SERA is looking for US dealers.
Many other things that I think I have to keep to myself. I was shocked that Franz and Dieter didnt knock on my door at 3am with HK UCP pistols.
-BEST DISPLAYS: ORA and Live Aquaria... slight edge going to Live Aquaria IMO. Nice to see the boys from Wisconsin making such a showing.
-Giesemann's new aquaflora T5 bulbs were there. They look nice....
http://www.giesemann.de/index.php?nId=64&nLang=1
- Warner Marine has some T5 units/reflectors on the way. Warner also has a nifty 'easy clean' head on the way as well as a few other things Jon talked about. The 'easy clean' head for a skimmer is alot like a SCH... but just manual. So you dont have the timer, motor, etc... but to clean your cup you just reach in and give it a quick spin. It should go for $1200. Lol... just kidding, the idea was to keep it simple yet effective, and that it should. Say, where were the Aquadriver Skimcleans? There was not a single BK even plugged in even.
- Ushio has T5's coming out. The Ushio booth is simple, just like the booth you see at other shows. The real edge that these guys have, IMO, is that their guys really know their lighting tech, and can give you info that really matters. Their handouts actually provide info, you know what I mean? Their reps went out of their way to talk to people and 'talk shop'. UVL otoh, was there, and I meant to talk with them, but they tended to huddle together and keep to themselves it seemed. Ushio only had 2 guys there, and UVL had 4 or more it seemed... but those Ushio guys really were on their game.
- Honya is trying to make a Laguna pump clone. Not just the volutes anymore, but the whole motor it is rumored. I just dont see how THAT is possible since in order to be a Laguna you actually would have to include the patented power factor correction/slip/torque technology. Without that... its just not a Laguna. So Im betting it either wont happen (Hagen wont let it) or they will say '50 watts' on the box and really run at '150 watts'.
- Tunze has replaced the Sicce PSK 2500's with a new pump. It is still a Sicce, but a bit nicer I suspect.
- Tunze has the new stream 2's on the way. Their new USB controlled multicontroller looks like a solid winner as well.
- Tunze has the nano-wavebox out.
- SEIO Polarios, prop pumps, and pumps with internal speed control/wave makers are here, and from getting my hands on them they are looking like the quality over previous pumps keeps getting better. SEIO/TAAM also has that nifty modular pump/media reactor system.
- Hydor's new DC controllable pumps look sweet. You might start seeing Tunze Streams coming down in price if they keep this up. Heck, Stream pumps have come a long way, and you could say they are 'mainstream' now more than anything. Ecotech was selling their Maxi-Jet mod kits, and they were being sold at the Marco Rocks/Aquactinics (different make) booth as well.
- I forgot to take photos, but the frag-mag rock guys were there as well. I forgot to pick some up for the trip home as well. They look very nice in person and they had some new stuff out as well. Maybe if someone else has some pics they can post that.
- This Vertex skimmer has people wondering... is being made under ER's liscence from China? Is it a copy, or is ER somehow involved (like Toyota/Scion)? And which pump was that? It just had a dark corner at a vendor booth and nobody really said much about them but my peepers zoomed in on it right away.
- MRC's Volcano clone
- AquaC may be comfortable since they have sold hundreds of thousands of Remoras, but the EV line has been lagging, so rumor has it that AquaC is going to be looking into something new, perhaps a needlewheel. Hey AquaC, if you want some ideas, let me know. I have something you might like that would fit in your line!
- Current USA has new T5 units out. One reflector looks like a minimal improvement, but the other (a true parabolic) looks most promising.
-Oceanic's future T5 fixture looks nice as well. I cant speak for quality, since it wasnt even there, but it looks as though this will be in a line above the Coralife brand units. The unit did have individual parabolic reflectors after all.
- SLS... hmmm... lots of potential, cant quite tell what they are doing. Got to really see the Lumenmax Elite in person and play with it a little bit. I can see what they did now with the design, and why. Those with Lumenarcs, dont worry. The new Tek has me interested though. They pretty much used the cross-flow fan (they have small axials) and sheild/duct idea that I put up here long ago. Its been a long time, and then Sam starts sending me PM's and asking questions again... and then within 24 hours of my last PM to him (weve been going back and forth) the new 'prototype' at the show gets yanked. I talked about it with the rep on Friday, and it was gone the next morning. All they could say was that the current one has been scrapped and the design is going to take a 'totally new direction'. Ill have to talk with Sam on that one I suppose. I dont know what to tell you other than that. It has taken more than a year to get that far, yet I'll admit, I was expecting more than a 'factory made' version of a mod I did long ago. If it took them that long just to do that, how long will it take for a 'totally new direction'? OTOH, I hear this might involve some 'high ups' in the company that want to get something done here.
- CoralVue LED's... nuff said.
- Those PFO's are looking nice. Im thinking I might want to test one to see how they compare from a PAR/watt standpoint. The demo they had was bright.... granted, the spread wasnt too impressive, but not lacking either. Getting close to 200 micromol/m2/s on the tank like they were was not something to scoff at, and since LED's transmit less IR, they will heat up your tank less (even though the units themselves might dump alot of heat into the room). This isnt news exactly, but its exciting none-the-less because we really are THAT CLOSE to seeing LED's as a mainstream contender... the only challenge at this point would seem like the price... but for every 10x increase in production, the price should drop 1/2... right?
- SCWD with large 1" ports and a cleaning cap. It looks nice. Too little too late? I mean... with all these lower-cost stream style pumps out now with wavemakers even built in...
-New Maxi-Jet Utility Pumps look good. And if Aquarian/Oceanic wont make that 30" or 36" front-to-back tank you were looking for, Marineland does! The price (with shipping) would amaze you. When I asked about adding custom holes, they said 'no problem'. Starphire? Included. The cabinet quality was top-notch. Was it the Sherman Tank that came up from Florida? No. But this thing is less likely to make your basement floor crack too. Lol... Just kidding, I see the value in both tanks or course.
-Did PM mention a dart needlewheel skimmer as well?
- Aquactinics LED's in the fixture to add shimmer. Tom made it out like this was going to be a first, which was funny because we told him we had just come from the CoralVue booth where some T5/LED combos were on display, but his did look better. Sorry guys, but I dont think I could convince them to make a 5 foot constellation... I may not agree with the reasoning 100% (like that their 5' halide units never sold all that well) but I can see where they are coming from. OTOH, a 5' Solar Flare might be a different story... but thats more up to Icecap. Otherwise, that entire market might go to SLS since they at least said they would like to come out with a 5' unit.
- Warner Marine chemicals. Check em out.
- SERA is looking for US dealers.
Many other things that I think I have to keep to myself. I was shocked that Franz and Dieter didnt knock on my door at 3am with HK UCP pistols.
-BEST DISPLAYS: ORA and Live Aquaria... slight edge going to Live Aquaria IMO. Nice to see the boys from Wisconsin making such a showing.
hahnmeister
In Memoriam
Hey, the entire joke (Heather got it she said) was that it would be wrong of me to suggest she look any more or less no matter what... I just didnt recognize her at first due to her being a 'quick-change artist'. Maybe you didnt hear that part, but I was sure not to stick that foot in my mouth... and that was what prefaced my comment to her that night, and sort of what the whole joke was about. I never said anything different... and my official response is: 'I dont know what you are talking about, no such thing, that wasnt me, move along here, nothing to see'...lol. 
hahnmeister
In Memoriam
I got ya, dont worry. I never take myself too seriously or put my ego first, so sometimes I forget to give due attention to other's in the process... as you found out shortly after that. It was very nice meeing you two though and I hope to see more of you two on the forums here and at furure events.
OxInYourBox
Premium Member
Just to clarify-The LED fixture wasn't from Fins Reef. They split a double booth with Coral Dynamics who designed the LED light on the left after the one on the right was supposed to be the "holy grail" of new LED lighting from a designer. It's just a street light that burned VERY hot and low par.
There were some PAR readings the last day in the water for both.
There were some PAR readings the last day in the water for both.
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OxInYourBox
Premium Member
Oh and I hope to have pictures up soon. There were some great shots to be had and not just at the bar (man that was pricey).
Warner Marine
New member
lol...
It was even funnier in person!
Do you have your Superman pics up?
Nice to meet you all.
jon
It was even funnier in person!
Do you have your Superman pics up?
Nice to meet you all.
jon
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13312751#post13312751 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Emc2
Thanks to Greg for supplying the rum and introducing us to Superman.
And for this awsome shot of Greg stuffing some rum down his pants and Hoots trying to hide her lighter (can you guess where?). The rum made it (fortunately)... the lighter did not.
JRaquatics
New member
There was water in another skimmer besides WM. At least they put the ASM skimmer to good use.
jamesdawson
New member
Thanks for the pics/info Jon and everyone else!
James
James
purebullet417
Rimless Reef Club
this is all i took from the point and shoot i still have to go through the 200+ pics on my dslr lol here is some vids and the 1 pic i took on this
those mag rocks that someone eles was talking about
the excessively overbuilt 72x36x30 that my uncle is looking at ordering from them in the same size
this is the teco lemonade chiller thingy in action
and lastly a vid of the drs F&S display
those mag rocks that someone eles was talking about
the excessively overbuilt 72x36x30 that my uncle is looking at ordering from them in the same size
this is the teco lemonade chiller thingy in action
and lastly a vid of the drs F&S display
hahnmeister
In Memoriam
The downside and truth to it is... besides the lectures.... the pictures and vids do tell the most important parts of the story as far as many here are concerned. You might not have seen it as soon as we did, but you see it now none the less.
Those Mag Rocks were cool. They had the smaller 'frag plug' size ones, and the new ones that are literally a piece of rock that you stick to your glass with the magnets behind. Here's the thing... I asked, and so did others, how well they stick to the back... as in 'how large of a coral colony can grow on there before you start to have problems?'... because I would worry that some of the corals that you would really want to put on a rock like that are going to 1- get pretty bulky/heavy, and/or 2- get hit with alot of flow as they grow. Nobody wants their Tunze's ripping the colony off the back wall. Their response was that over time, coralline algae tends to keep the rocks in place by providing friction from sliding, but with there being only 2 magnets on the back of the rocks (no curing time BTW) they can 'creep down'... to which the suggested solution was to simply buy a bunch of them so they simply hold each other up... to which I simply thought to myself "well then, I'll just keep making aragacrete walls to cover my back glass with and let the aragacrete hold itself up from top to bottom"... ja know?
I should have spent more time at the 'Reef Results' Marine booth. When ever I passed by, nobody said anything to me though (unlike Joe's Juice which would hawk you down, bring you in for at least a chat, and insist you take a card at the very other end of the spectrum of 'active marketing', lol.). I suppose... they most likely didnt want to bother you unless you actually stepped inside their booth, but their booth was always so full of people. Is it supposed to be some sort of 'Prodobio' or what? Bacteria? Chemicals? Frankly, I wasnt that impressed just because their tank didnt look all that great. Neither did Prodobio's, which Im sure hurt them, but trying to set up a 'low nutrient' system with nice corals is hard to do overnight. Perhaps they should consider ditching the tanks and just do what Deltec did... get a good flat panel TV and run videos. The only reason I bought the Prodobio was because I have seen it with others' tanks and word of mouth. Either that, or start coming up with portable tank designs that you can transport from show to show w/o disturbing everything. The tanks that SHOULD have looked the best just didnt.
Those Mag Rocks were cool. They had the smaller 'frag plug' size ones, and the new ones that are literally a piece of rock that you stick to your glass with the magnets behind. Here's the thing... I asked, and so did others, how well they stick to the back... as in 'how large of a coral colony can grow on there before you start to have problems?'... because I would worry that some of the corals that you would really want to put on a rock like that are going to 1- get pretty bulky/heavy, and/or 2- get hit with alot of flow as they grow. Nobody wants their Tunze's ripping the colony off the back wall. Their response was that over time, coralline algae tends to keep the rocks in place by providing friction from sliding, but with there being only 2 magnets on the back of the rocks (no curing time BTW) they can 'creep down'... to which the suggested solution was to simply buy a bunch of them so they simply hold each other up... to which I simply thought to myself "well then, I'll just keep making aragacrete walls to cover my back glass with and let the aragacrete hold itself up from top to bottom"... ja know?
I should have spent more time at the 'Reef Results' Marine booth. When ever I passed by, nobody said anything to me though (unlike Joe's Juice which would hawk you down, bring you in for at least a chat, and insist you take a card at the very other end of the spectrum of 'active marketing', lol.). I suppose... they most likely didnt want to bother you unless you actually stepped inside their booth, but their booth was always so full of people. Is it supposed to be some sort of 'Prodobio' or what? Bacteria? Chemicals? Frankly, I wasnt that impressed just because their tank didnt look all that great. Neither did Prodobio's, which Im sure hurt them, but trying to set up a 'low nutrient' system with nice corals is hard to do overnight. Perhaps they should consider ditching the tanks and just do what Deltec did... get a good flat panel TV and run videos. The only reason I bought the Prodobio was because I have seen it with others' tanks and word of mouth. Either that, or start coming up with portable tank designs that you can transport from show to show w/o disturbing everything. The tanks that SHOULD have looked the best just didnt.
