Lots of random questions about tunze's

[EnderG60]

OK I have a bunch of questions.

First off I just got a 6100 with a single controler. The controller had a wire pulled out of it(which I have re-soldered) and it seems to be working fine, bit I am not noticing much difference between the pulses. One is set all the way low and the other is all the way high. I can hear a change when the controller switches but I cant see any difference in the flow.

On a similar note, I am planning on using said 6100 to make a wavebox and noticed that the single controller looks very similar to the wavebox controller. Are they the same?

Next Im considering adding a 6045 or 6055 to my setup which I plan to attach to a sea swirl. But Im wondering if either the weight or the force of the flow will cause problems(as in binding the motor or just plane bushing the nozzle off the unit)

Also when I upgrade later this year to a 180, will a 6045 or 6055(still on the sea swirl if possible) produce enough flow across the top of a 6' tank for sps?

Lastly can the 6045 be used on a single controller?

Thanks

 

[shawnz28]

1 - If you put your hand in front of the stream can you feel the difference? It is hard to see the water change speed at times but easy to feel and as you say hear the difference

2 - They look similar in size and shape but are different

3 - Not sure on the sea swirl but I would not think a problem Wavy Seas have to problem doing this, Might wanna check with Aquarium Currents(SeaSwirl) to verify.

4 - If you mean across the 6' length - no. 6101s would be a better bet, but still will not get the whole 6'. 6055set in the center doing a 180 back and forth(so only doing 3') would be decent supplemental flow though IMO.

5 - no only controlable nano is the 6055

 

[EnderG60]

1. I was testing it in the bath tub, and no I couldnt feel a difference. how much of a flow change is there between the high and low setting? I think one of the wires could possible have been pulled away from the connector at the end of the cable.(yellow one was pulled off the board, and the other two look like they were pulled from the cable about and inch)

2. alrighty then looks like im gonna have to break out the old PCB stuff then Just to be sure the 6100 will be enough to get a wave going in a 180 with a box and controller correct?

3. what kind of problems did the wavy sea have? And do you happen to have contact info for Aquarium currents?

4. Im planning on doing the 180 as a 3 side viewable pennisula, so Id like to keep as much of the equipment at the one end. The plan I had was to use a wavebox, the return on a OM with penductors hidden in the rockwork, and one or two streams attached to sea swirls(I have 2 of the 1/2" ones).

would two of the 6045 or 55's make a differance if both were at one end, and what about if they were modified(trimming the inner shroud).

5. can the 6045's be put on timmers? Im not so much looking for speed control since they will be on the sea swirls(i hope) but on / off would be nice.

and thanks for the info!

 

[EnderG60]

I just spoke with a rep from Aquarium Currents, and he said it shouldnt be a problem to run a tunze on the SS(even the 1/2") Only thing that might need to be done is to tap the outlet for a screw to hold it on.

 

[rvitko]

1) One wire sends power to the controller one sends it back so likely you were lacking the signal back to change the speed.

2) The 6091 is an on and off controller that you set the frequency from .4-1.4 seconds. It will give you a small wave with the right frequency, a true wavebox pump is actually a 6200 with a smaller 6100 transformer. The pulse will be weaker and the wave will probably be only about 1/2- 3/4" high as a result.

3) No comment/ don't know

4)I would use 2 6055's at a minimum and I don't think any more flow could be achieved than the rated 1450. 1 or 2 6101's would be better on such a large tank.

5) Yes, minimum 15 minutes between on and off cycles.

 

[EnderG60]

Guess ill have to go dig up my multimeter and check it out. And when I was testing it the max time between switching was alot more then 1.4 seconds....seemed more like 5-10 sec.

Now you got me wondering, why not use a 6200 with a 6200 transformer, or just a 6100 and transformer?

Also would the 1/2-3/4" wave be enough to keep things in the tank moving? i was a bit concered about having a 1"+ wave in the tank(for overflow reasons) so if it will work well at that size that might not be so bad.

and just so im clear, your saying ideally i would want to have about 3000gph across the top of the tank right?

 

[rvitko]

Yes, you have a 7091, not a 6091, it pulses between two speeds every 1.5-7 seconds, a 6091 turns the pump off and on every .4- 1.4 sec.

A 6200 has more flow but because it is being turned off and on so rapidly it never reaches peak draw so it doesn't need the 80w capacity of the bigger transformer.

With a lot of additional flow it would be OK. You want at least 20* turnover total.

 

[shawnz28]

For number 3 that was a mistype.... ment to say "Not sure on the sea swirl but I would not think a problem. Wavy Seas have no problem doing this, Might wanna check with Aquarium Currents(SeaSwirl) to verify.

 

[EnderG60]

ah ok, would the problem of not seeing a change in speed still be due to a possible broken wire?

aside from the wavebox, im planning to use a 1740 pressure pump as a return, with a OM and penductors on all outlets, as well as the sea swirls with the attached tunze's. Im going for a good amount of flow all over with the top varying high flow for SPS

and i posted above i spoke with someone about the sea swirl, and they say it should be ok. Rep said go for it and if the motor dies he will replace it at no cost! So I really dont have a choice, im going to have to do it

I would simply buy a wavebox, but I saw someones site where they built a box and controller and used a 6100 in it and it worked very well on a 6' 125. So now I have a bug up my butt to try it.

Im just trying to plan the system out and start getting parts, i still need the tank...and a house to put it in!

 

[rvitko]

That would be the usual cause, power is going in but not being modified by the controller and going back.

 

[EnderG60]

Could you tell me which pins on the DIN connector corrispont to the yellow, blue and orange wires?

 

[rvitko]

I can't find my info on that, I would just use an ohm meter to find the pins that correspond to the wire.

 

[EnderG60]

k, ill check it out when i get home today.

 

[EnderG60]

ok checked it out and came up with this. Looking at the connection on the controller going counter clockwise.

Yellow wire, nothing, orange wire, blue wire, nothing.

that sound right?

I have a connection to those pins, but I think they may be crossed somewhere.

Either way, im definatly not getting any change in speed on the pump.

The food timer works though.

 

[KMP]

consider the wavy sea. you can use the mj adapter, superglue it to the top of the ball...

 

[EnderG60]

Na I already have two sea swirls, and Im going for a lower profile then that. As long as it the SS itself holds up I think it will work very well. And since the rep told me to go for it, I will.