lyretail anthias suck

I dripped acclimated for ~1 hour..
For future reference, this might be too fast. Most LFS keep very low salinity in their fish tanks to "avoid" ich. When going from low to high salinity many recommend to raise by 0.001-0.002 a day.
You will hear many saying that they do it faster without issues, but you also see many posts like yours saying "My fish died within a day or 2 even though my tank has perfect conditions"... they are overlooking this aspect and try to find other causes that are not necessarily there.

The best thing to do, if buying from a place with lower salinity (most fish stores) , is to have a smaller tank ready with the same salinity as your source. You will only need to float the bags for about 20min to match temperature. Check the salinity in the bag just to be sure it matches the one in the smaller tank. Then, adjust the salinity (up) over the course of a few days until it matches your display.
 
All of OP's are still orange and obviously females, could have been trying to work it out as to who would dominate and got ugly maybe.
I have read anthia can have a lot of issues w/ parasites and such, many I have known do a FW dip and have had them all die just from that process.
They seem to be sensitive in that way initially.
There have been many times I have bought 5 or so and only had 2-3 survive the FW dip and initial QT intro.
I have seen some people buy groups and none even survived the FW dip process.
Generally speaking no anthias are what I call easy, but lyretails do seem to be easiest of them, or at least easiest to get to eat.
When people describe them as aggressive, it's nowhere near like that of a truly aggressive fish like triggers or even dotybacks or something, it's just a show of who's the boss
 
All of OP's are still orange and obviously females, could have been trying to work it out as to who would dominate and got ugly maybe.
I have read anthia can have a lot of issues w/ parasites and such, many I have known do a FW dip and have had them all die just from that process.
They seem to be sensitive in that way initially.
There have been many times I have bought 5 or so and only had 2-3 survive the FW dip and initial QT intro.
I have seen some people buy groups and none even survived the FW dip process.
Generally speaking no anthias are what I call easy, but lyretails do seem to be easiest of them, or at least easiest to get to eat.
When people describe them as aggressive, it's nowhere near like that of a truly aggressive fish like triggers or even dotybacks or something, it's just a show of who's the boss


Oh I agree dottybacks are the worst. I think you hit it on the head on easier to feed. I have had lyretails eating pellets or flake in days and even after a year most my ignitus have not. Bartletts are easy to feed too...
My lyretails mainly get aggressive around feeding time, again I think the dominate one wants the most food so he grows faster.

I also agree none are what I would call easy either but Lyretails and Bartletts are the easiest but I think they are the hardest to keep in multiples out of all the anthias I have kept.
 
Their salinity is 1.026 mine is~ .24-25 I floated bag for 20-30 mins to match temp. I don't know what to do should I try 1 more or two more females? Or just screw it and leave the pair in there? I don't want any more dead bodies nor introduce any weird diseases in my main display my QT is almost done cycling..
 
It's hard to say what YOU should do w/ YOUR tank.
I LOVE anthias, so I will do what it takes to keep them, and stating that what I WOULD do is add 2 more females.
 
It's hard to say what YOU should do w/ YOUR tank.
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:thumbsup: Completely agree.
Although I find other fish much more entertaining than tangs, it's your tank.

With that in mind,it sounds like the opportunity cost of getting at least two more lyretails won't be worth it for expo...maybe just keep these two and hope for the best. If you're lucky you'll have two long lived fish. If not, you can get some of the other fish on your list and chalk this up to experience.

:wave:
 
:thumbsup: Completely agree.
Although I find other fish much more entertaining than tangs, it's your tank.

With that in mind,it sounds like the opportunity cost of getting at least two more lyretails won't be worth it for expo...maybe just keep these two and hope for the best. If you're lucky you'll have two long lived fish. If not, you can get some of the other fish on your list and chalk this up to experience.

:wave:

Thanks guys!
 
Crap..well idk what to do then introduce another one? Or two? I rather not have 4 anthias so I can add other fish..Could I try another type of anthias with better chance of living? I feel like i'm sentencing it to death lol i'm not sure if I'm getting another male or female or what b.c they are all the same color..Plus my bioload is getting heavy. I plan on adding 2-4 more fish and already have 3 wrasses & two clowns. Plan on adding two tangs , marine beta, CBB.

That would leave me with :
4 anthias
2 clowns
Cleaner wrasse
6 line wrasse
flasher wrasse
Yellow tang
1 other tang
Copperband Butterfly
marine beta(maybe)

too much?

Unless you have a couple of large fish in there I would ditch the cleaner wrasse.

I personally would also ditch the tangs and rather get a pair of copperbands.
Same goes for the wrasses: keep them in pairs, especially the flasher.

While I'm a big fan of marine bettas, one alone is something I would never do as you may not see much of it, especially if you have a lot of large restless fish like tangs in the tank.

If you really want marine bettas you should design the tank for them (lots of rock with many caves and crevices) and add two or more small ones of distinct different size. That way you will get a pair or a harems group and see much more of them.

As for the anthias: I feel they need a clear hierarchy or otherwise you will have lots of fights going on while they try to fight it out. Also keep in mind that in the wild each of them has a good size buffer space around them. It only looks like a dense swarm from afar.

A group of anthias would be something I would love to add to my tank, but I'm afraid 100 gallon isn't enough.

:thumbsup: Completely agree.
Although I find other fish much more entertaining than tangs, ...

I couldn't agree more. I personally find a pair of banggai cardinals more interesting that any tang and banggais can be rather boring fish. I keep them primarily for breeding.

From your post I can tell you that you are either not acclimating the fish properly, your tank is not ready or you LFS is bad source. They should not die within 24hrs. Is the salinity in your tank the same as the LFS? If yours is higher you should slowly acclimate the fish to the new salinity. How slowly? Well that depends on the difference but going from low to high usually causes trouble if done too fast and yes, the dripping method might be too fast.

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For future reference, this might be too fast. Most LFS keep very low salinity in their fish tanks to "avoid" ich. When going from low to high salinity many recommend to raise by 0.001-0.002 a day.
You will hear many saying that they do it faster without issues, but you also see many posts like yours saying "My fish died within a day or 2 even though my tank has perfect conditions"... they are overlooking this aspect and try to find other causes that are not necessarily there.

The best thing to do, if buying from a place with lower salinity (most fish stores) , is to have a smaller tank ready with the same salinity as your source. You will only need to float the bags for about 20min to match temperature. Check the salinity in the bag just to be sure it matches the one in the smaller tank. Then, adjust the salinity (up) over the course of a few days until it matches your display.

Fish see significant salinity swings around the nominal of 1.025 g/l in the wild and can handle them well.

The 0.001-0.002 a day only applies if you bring fish out of hyposalinity where they have been at around 1.008 for a couple of weeks or even months. At that salinity the fish's kidneys are working on a largely reduced scale and couldn't handle a rapid increase of volume that the fish would need to dring to maintain its osmotic balance.
But as soon as you get to 1.016 g/l you can bring the fish to full salinity within an hours.

If the LFS has his system at 1.018 it is absolutely sufficient to just drip acclimate the fish.
Though in a QT I would in general try to keep the salinity lower.
 
Unless you have a couple of large fish in there I would ditch the cleaner wrasse.

I personally would also ditch the tangs and rather get a pair of copperbands.
Same goes for the wrasses: keep them in pairs, especially the flasher.

While I'm a big fan of marine bettas, one alone is something I would never do as you may not see much of it, especially if you have a lot of large restless fish like tangs in the tank.

I'm not going to do a marine beta while they are cool i'm going to pass and do two tangs. I plan on getting the tangs medium-large size 3-6" tangs so the cleaner wrasse might be able to be friends with them. So far my favorite fish is the cleaner wrasse i love the blue and black and he is really a interesting swimmer. He interactions with me and he is all over the tank. He is eating well as I know that is a concern with them.

Current live stock :

2 clowns, royal gramma, 2 anthias, cleaner wrasse, 6 line, and Flasher.

Thinking about :

2 tangs + 1 CBB ? Do you think I would be safe adding 2 more anthias or no?
 
I had the same basic issue with my three lyretails. I had a larger female, smaller female and a smaller male. They all did well for the first couple of days. The two females ganged up on the male and beat it up in similar fashion. Now I have two females but I suspect the larger female is becoming a male. I would like to have more than two. What's the best strategy to add more? Add 2 more small females? They are in a 20L qt now.
 
I have a group of 3 females they fought quite a bit in the beginning but my heavy feeding routine (I believe ) dialed it down a bit. The thing about anthias that I think far too many overlook is the frequency of feeding they need, they are only able to eat small amounts at a time and feeding once a day absolutely will not cut it, they need to be fed twice a day at minimum, 3-4× is ideal.

I feed mine once a lunch time just as my actinics are kicking on, once when I get home from work and right before I go to bed. Chromis sold be fed the same way/frequency, it really reduces the " I bought 6 so I could end up with one strong one conundrum".
 
Isnt the male supposed to change colors? Ive had one male and one female for over 4 years now and the male is pretty much the same color as when i first bought him.
 
How do you feed them when you're not at home?

I'm currently trying to ween the off mysis and accept pellets so I can incorporate a auto feeder, I do have a close friend that use to be in the hobby come by when I'm out of town but only once a day, however usually only gone for 2-3 days at a time, so they get by.

Have a 10 day dive trip coming up in a few months, so really trying to get them to take to ULS pellets, however they are picky
 
Isnt the male supposed to change colors? Ive had one male and one female for over 4 years now and the male is pretty much the same color as when i first bought him.

How do you know it is the male if he didn't change colors?
Do you have a pic maybe they are not lyretails.. Some other species of anthias have less subtle differences. With lyretals there is a pretty big difference. Without a female the males sometimes will look more femal than male but it is rare.
 
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I'm currently trying to ween the off mysis and accept pellets so I can incorporate a auto feeder, I do have a close friend that use to be in the hobby come by when I'm out of town but only once a day, however usually only gone for 2-3 days at a time, so they get by.

Have a 10 day dive trip coming up in a few months, so really trying to get them to take to ULS pellets, however they are picky


I can get lyrtails on small pellet and flake in a couple days usually. Ignitus most of mine still dont after years,
 
For pellets I use .5mm new life spectrum and they spit out anything larger..
Soak the pellets with there normal food for a while and feed for a few days. That can help the first few days.
 
Anthias require frequent feedings, if you want them to be less aggressive. Mine starting sniping at each other once I became lazy with my feedings, now I am down to just 2 from 8. Big male, small female.
 
Anthias require frequent feedings, if you want them to be less aggressive. Mine starting sniping at each other once I became lazy with my feedings, now I am down to just 2 from 8. Big male, small female.

I dont think feeding matter much mine get fed from 6 to 8 times a day frozen food and they fight all the time. I do think they require frequent feeding though..
 
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